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You just opened your mic, recording, boom. >> That's the way we are. We're like this is the new podcast. Efficiency. Do you know what I mean? This is like yeah, this is this is what we're fucking here to do. Give the fucking stupid little motherfuckers what they want. The little squirmy little bitches um the content that they need. Now, the important part of this podcast is they don't know what they need cuz they are right? So we give it to them. Now Now some people have said there's a correlation between us having six listeners and staying on six listeners. We have We went to seven, I think, but I'm not sure it's confirmed if we're there yet.

And and phrases like the thing I just said. >> Mhm. Who Who says that? >> Great question. Let me get some of those YouTube comments up. Um >> I'm not sure I actually care. That's just me out loud. I'm like it was two or three cuz they would be one of the six people then and they're Well, no, they We know this. >> The people Yes, exactly. And the people that comment rightly so, they they I've never seen a comment where I haven't agreed with them. You know what I mean? Like >> I think we may have seven listeners and then the eighth spot is someone that just comes and goes. So it's like a the eighth listener is is else.

>> Yeah. Like the 12th man in football. >> See, it's it's true. Sometimes when people even the the very short and kind of to the point comments when someone's like this is absolute drivel. I just think yes. >> That's the eighth listener. Actually, the eighth listener is like the worst insult that you can have. >> Oh, shit. >> It's a It's a It's a velvet glove slap around the face.

So, I've I've been on a bit of a a metamorphosis in the last 12 hours, okay? Now, I don't I don't want I I now know what's coming cuz I spoke to him last night about it, but right. So, I was just I was just looking at myself there and I saw this scar and I was like, "God damn, that is a good-looking scar." Okay, now I'm not saying I'm arrogant, but a a while ago in an old podcast, I spoke about how um Martin, you this will be news to you, right? Um except that you were on the podcast. >> We're in the news now. >> Right, yes. News section. News. Um and I spoke about how like I'd given up on women, okay? Like I see a woman on the street and I'm I'm not trying to catch her eye. Like I'm like a husk of a a human being. I'm like I'm I'm basically one of our listeners. The the dregs of society. The the shit you wipe off your shoe, you know what I mean?

>> Yeah. >> I'll tell you, if anybody watches this podcast expecting miniature podcast, they are they this 3 minutes we've given them. If they haven't turned off, they either have a sense of humor or no self-respect. I really don't. Anyway. So, >> Okay, yeah. >> And I just saw this and I was like, "Do you know what? I think Jay I think you've got something about you. I think you could get back out there." So, anyway, Tina and I are now poly amorous, whatever the fuck it's called. Poly poly amorous.

>> There you go. >> So, that's where we're going, Martin. So, we we we had a lot of talking yesterday. I I alluded in the last episode, okay, that everything works out. And that's why I want to go here cuz I want to I want to Stevie G um said that he wanted to kill me through the monitor when he heard the conversation about the What's it called? Everything will be all right. No, what is it? >> Yeah, everything will will work out. >> Everything works out. >> Who wanted to kill you? >> Uh Stevie G >> on the Discord. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our our official sick listener, right? Um and then I just explained it a bit more and he was like, "Oh, actually, yeah, I completely agree with that." Now I can't Well, we should we should paraphrase.

But but the point here is um like I locked part of myself away, right, Martin? for this a marriage and the the the um the joy I have about like meeting people and talking. Now, we've been together 15 years. And I I and then so for 13 years, I think I still had that I was in my head I was like, "One day I could meet someone else." cuz I'd sort of wanted to. But I always knew that I was married, so I can't. Now I can, okay? Now it's it's it's a complicated thing. We're still working it out. Um but we're both quite excited for it.

Now now Yeah, go on, I know. >> So this is basically an ad to Jamie single >> Right, exactly. Yes. >> contact number 07 >> Yeah. 077382 Well, it it it does it changes everything cuz now like I don't know. I think there's a there's a real raw excitement that I'm feeling right now. So we've got two kids and then obviously we've got Tina and I, right? So the concept is Tina and I A and B. Sorry, A and A. And then if we find someone else, they'd be, okay?

Now she already has someone. I will say that, right? So she's sorted. So now I'm a little bit like I don't feel left out. I'm really excited and happy for her to have these feelings and I want to get those feelings, too. So that that little when I saw my scar in the mirror, I was like, "Do you know what? I think that could work for me." Um and and I say mirror, the screen. So, to go back to everything will work out, right? I said last episode, now now stuff could still go wrong. Tina could fall in love with this guy and not me, right? And and then we break up and we we raise the children together, blah blah blah. Or I find someone and the same happens to me, or this guy breaks her heart and then blah blah blah, right? So, there's a lot of shit that could go in this weird newfound relationship, right?

Um but also, there's so much that can go right. And fast forward in 3 years, I'll I'll tell you if everything works out or not. But the reality is the perception is so I I I don't know if I can sum it up right for you, Stevie G. I mean, you've already done that, but for everyone else, cuz we we basically for the other two listeners who didn't understand, who aren't on a Discord, cuz we have nobody on Discord, right? Um I can't remember how I phrased it. It's not everything will right is is a is in my mind, it's a view on things that happen to you. It's not that um you drop a kid off a balcony and you're like, "Oh, fuck, that was easy." >> It's more like everything settles, right? So, everything goes back to normal.

>> And it becomes the new normal, right? And you adapt and you evolve. >> But is it also not that when you say everything will work out, it it could be perceived as you don't care, you don't have to do anything for everything to work out, but what you actually mean is through probably a lot of your own efforts, everything will work out. >> Yeah, like na- naturally, um uh interesting. Hold on. They I've unpaused, yes. >> It's Is it Is it Is when you say everything will work out, it's not just everything will work out without you having to lift a finger, but it's also like everything will work out sometimes through a lot of your own effort. Or like if they don't work out, they will be worked out. That's Maybe that's where some people get it wrong is like everything will work out and you don't give a fuck is not quite the case.

>> Right. Yeah, no. That that it's much more a way of thinking. Is how I see this. It's nothing to do with the reality like um let's say Tina now comes back to me. She's told her other dude, right? She's like my husband's fine with it. We're going to carry on going. Right, the volume just is fucked. Um and like had he said no or he said yes and now Tina suddenly realizes no, we're going to actually I don't want to be with you. We're going to break up. Like that I will go through some sort of sadness, depression, whatever you want to coin it for a few probably years or something, right?

Something's changed. It's a big loss. The person you love the most, blah blah blah. I would still go through all that, but I would know from the start that in in 2 years, 3 years, I'm through that. It's a hopefulness effectively. It's a You have to live through everything, but you're okay with saying I'm going to be okay eventually. >> It's basically the almost definition of being optimistic. >> Huh. Yeah, probably. I so Yeah, I guess so. >> Very much.

>> But believing it to your soul, right? >> Right. Yeah. Um it's also why I gamble so much. Because I kept knowing I'd win. And obviously gambling I'm not a mathematician, but I I know that that's not true. Um So that's what I wanted to say about it. Um like I'm extremely happy about the situation. Um I I think it will work out. And if it doesn't work out, I know it'll be all right, basically. And that is everything will work out. Ironically, that doesn't apply to painting.

>> [snorts] >> Cuz uh I never get there. Um

So we have both questions. Any any more Do you want to ask any questions? >> Well, I think it's it's understood. Oh, shit. >> Yeah. Yeah, just about. So, that is my news. The mic The mic should be fixed. Actually, it's probably too loud now. You guys say something We're doing a live mic check. You guys say something. Just just anything. >> Testing, 1 2 3. >> Okay, yeah. We're we're we're we're both just fucking in the red. Uh let's hope AR >> Testing, 1 2 3. >> Cheers, mate.

I hope that the video will resolve. Right, so I'm excited about the future. Um and um I'm excited about my painting. I've got TTS to finish. But, I I really believe that So, so, so, so, some um I don't know his fucking to handle, but Adrian came up with a quite a good fuck. Fuck noise. >> Testing, 1. Fuck noise. >> So, don't fuck Don't What was the thing that I said? >> Be bored. >> Be bored. I mean, that is quite catchy, but fuck noise. And he's right in a way.

It's the It's the noise that So, we last week we covered how the biggest breakthrough we've had yet in painting. And Martin, I think you also agreed that you have some of this. You don't know what it is yet. Good, mate. >> No, but I I'm sure I will, yeah. Let me know what it is. I'm >> The concept of wanting to better yourself in multiple avenues that it is somehow harder to sit down and actually just paint. >> Oh, 100% yeah. >> I don't know if you do or not. I don't know where we got with you on that one.

>> I don't know. I don't know. I I don't have that as well. They're too chill to want anything right now. It's very hard to see uh the strife. Yeah, I I I I I I'm not that um obliviously optimistic. >> The noise. >> [laughter] >> But, you're sit You're literally sitting between the two opposite ends of that spectrum right now. >> I mean I I do think I am pretty pretty optimistic. Um but yeah, I do I do obviously want things and I do have pressures and I do um I try to not do and I try to be conscious when I am doing it.

And I I steer, you know. >> I think I think what I've learned in I mean I kind of knew anyway, but what I've learned in this whole um Tina new relationship everything is how um adaptable I am in my own or able to look at things objectively, logically. >> Yeah. I think you suffer a lot more when you imagine than when you are going through it. >> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. >> I mean you as in Jamie or you as in anyone? >> In general, in general. Like you adapt things, right? I think actually we talked about this in an episode.

>> Um and and I'm >> I think that's very true. >> It's very true. I'm I'm interested in why relationship I'll just do it. Tina, yeah, let's try this. Painting, nah. Like It eats I I This is 6 months since we're doing this podcast, I think. Okay. I've painted I have in I have upped my painting, but I'm It's like this it >> I mean from zero to zero point one. >> [laughter] >> Oh, shit. That loud as laugh. I might actually just dump this volumes down a bit.

This may may be the worst ever episode we've ever recorded for all of you. >> Can I interject a little just We literally just paused to say that we shouldn't be talking about this shit and we keep talking about this shit. So, could I just throw a little I >> About the audio? >> No, about the start of the episode. >> No, I was linking it to painting. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Like literally that that hook that I just I'd literally set up the racket on and I'm not annoyed. I'm not annoyed. And I was about to smack the ball and then you were like whoop out the air.

So, as I was just saying >> [snorts] >> it's interesting that I'm not bringing those same get up and go, let's just fucking try attitude to painting, right? >> Mhm. >> We had the breakthrough last week on Thursday. And admittedly it was only Thursday or we recorded on Friday maybe? Yeah. Anyway, yeah. Okay, Thursday. Now I So, now I'm at the stage where I'm I'm I'm excited to paint. I I really am. I'm going to not do the noise. I'm going to sit down and paint and I'm not going to think about I need to do NMM. So, the reason why I'm talking about this is cuz last episode we we had the breakthrough the concept of be bored, but more importantly the noise limits us and holds us back.

I I and and to to summarize two and a half hours, um I get in my own head that I want to be good at NMM. I want this to be the best model I've ever produced. I want this to be you know, ambient. I want this blah blah blah. I've got all these pillars and shit that I've put in myself rather than just saying I'm going to sit down, I'm going to do what I know how to do, and then when I'm bored at that point where I've done everything I know how to do, then I'm going to try and do something I've not done before. And that's the concept of be bored, but it doesn't work.

>> Can I ask what if if you whether you want to whether you're going to sit down and paint something to learn NMM or or to be cool and fancy and compete or the bored bit. Do you have something on your desk right now that you're that makes sense for you to sit down and paint? Cuz we've talked about painting in like kind of a general sense. I mean, Arnau's got his like backlog of commissions and all these specific projects. I've also got like actual specific things that I know I either should paint or want to paint or need to paint. But do you have that?

Do you Is there something right now that you're like this is what I'm going to paint when I get around to painting? >> I I will ask I will I will answer for him. Because we do have an amazing taskmaster that I think it's a straight up this alley. Because it's not a taskmaster about showing off, right? It's not a taskmaster about doing amazing NMMs or skin or volumes or it's about creating something. >> Yeah, but it's weird. I'm I'm wondering if like if Jamie if you just want to sit down and paint what you know until you're bored of it like you just said.

Is that more Eldar stuff? >> think it's that. Isn't it? >> I don't know. >> I know we we we annoyingly I'm able to finish your sentences now when it comes to painting and it seems not unless someone asks me for real advice then I'm like well fuck I don't know. But yeah, it it it is true. I I have fond memories of doing the one scenic base I ever did and it was just a free creative process at the Honor Guard. Um I can't remember his name. Pretty sure >> Oliver Oliver >> Oliver. And I only knew him like that. I was like who the fuck is Honor Guard? Um when I went to his course. Anyway Yes.

>> Banshee I mean all these names. >> Yeah, yeah, right. Nicknames. Call me cock master. Um I'm I'm gay in this subplot like um Yeah, in theory the base is is okay. I get exactly what you're saying though Martin like remove the obstacles. Um the the have something ready so that I can visualize and and I guess the base so I've been going through to quickly talk about taskmasters. Um cuz it's all related. I was on the toilet as you do and do thinking. Shower and toilet are the two thinking places. Um as long as you don't take your phone.

I I was like fuck I'm going to obviously do a jungle base. Like, it's so obvious I'm going to do it. And I was like, it's so fucking cliche and boring. Like, but at the same time, it's the easiest, in my opinion. Um if I do a snow base, you've got to worry about snow, gray contrasts with the model how it interacts. I know we're not doing a model, whereas jungle like, you're free, man. You're just slapping a load of browns, some fucking greens, some moss, and build a shape up, add a fucking tree, bosh, there's a jungle stuck on my dick. Um so, it's like that is what I should do, basically.

>> Yeah. >> I think yes. >> I will say, look, I will say though what some of us uh I mean, by the sounds of it, your uh lowest bar, the the very lowest easy bullshit thing for you to do, I think a lot of people would be very impressed with that. I think some people would really struggle with this Taskmaster. If you can smash that out and have a good-looking jungle base, then yeah, you should do that, but that sounds that sounds cool. That sounds pretty impressive. >> you now. Yeah, okay. So, don't >> We don't have to push ourselves with every single thing. It can just be a process of doing something and doing it really well.

>> I think that's the key, isn't it though, actually, what you're saying? Yeah. I think that is the point of Taskmaster's as well. >> Yeah, it's it's an effort. I mean, Taskmaster, it's not it doesn't mean that you put don't put effort. It means that you put effort, and if it doesn't um turn out well, it doesn't matter. It was just a Taskmaster. But, the effort has to be in in it, right? If it's if it's not, then there's literally no point in doing it. I I actually had the the same thought of you that you did, Jamie, because I was thinking about doing a an an urban base, but then I thought my my favorite type of of setting is a urban with a vegetation that's winning over the I'm legend, >> Same.

>> And it's like >> Oh. >> Yeah, but again, it's just fucking moss. >> Again, right? >> The fucking moss, yeah. >> And and now it's like, let's let's try to change let's try to do something that um is not what I usually I'm drawn to, right? The first the first idea, discard it. So, this is the one that I am discussing. >> yourself to be bold. >> And then the second one was like uh color palettes. So, I could do a brown base, so a a city with with oxides and brown and dry and something something like that, or something very wet with water, with just rain and bluish or etc., or you know, stuff like that or or or with fire, maybe with some burning shit.

Um so, I'll try to some some Yeah, something like that or maybe uh panels of wood, something that it's not fucking moss. I'll try to not use moss. >> Like So, I mean, in my head I immediately thought how cool would it be to do the Avatar stones, the floating stones. Like that's a fucking cool base. Like with vines going up and it's just a floating rock. >> And like think of the jewel you could do on that. >> Yeah, it's actually not that difficult in in a way.

>> Yeah, that's basically been done, right? I feel I've definitely seen gaming tables like that, but I think I've seen cool gaming actually like that, too. Um and so, to to go back to the the like the jungle, um I I I I thought it's cliche and that's the ADD in me, right? Not wanting to I'll do anything like maybe the polymorph prism-ism is also appealing to me because it's not normal. I like the concept of it. And also, I don't Anyway, um so But I I think I probably will do a chuckle because >> That's fine. >> Yeah, I've done I've only ever done one.

So, I've seen it lots, but I'm not I I don't know. >> yeah, yeah. I am discarding it because I've done it many, many, many, many times. >> But I'm discarding it cuz I see it often, but the reality is just cuz I see it doesn't mean that I can do it or won't want to do it. Um And and yeah, part of me wants to find out some cool like you could do a a a a a Thanos ship vibe where you've just got like a beam and then you could have like a press line do some force burst like this. Basically, if you get your imagination flowing, there's so much fucking shit we could do.

>> Yeah. >> The basis, but >> That's That's why That's why I think it's it's good to to um extend it to the end of May. >> Oh, you want to extend it? >> I do think we have no We want to If we don't want to rush things, just make it for the sake of making it. I think it's better if we just do one one and a half months instead of right? >> I'm down. That means That means I can give it some actual time. Yeah. Something amazing. I can make children cry. >> it and have it done in a in a week or something or we could leave it till end of May and it could actually be pretty cool.

>> I'm up for it. I mean, we could say make it so. >> And we could actually like talk about it during the whole month like >> Yeah. >> you know, instead of tossing it in the last week. >> [laughter] >> Um I should and I want to. And this is the new like I feel in some way like if you ever thought I couldn't be obnoxiously happier than I have been in the past episodes, I think that's where I'm getting to now. Like >> Oh, so it's like more?

>> Like before I was depressed, I think. And now I'm like I need to >> of depressed. >> I do yeah, definitely not clinically. Like like if you had a a scale for me. >> [laughter] >> You are right though to to flag it out. I agree I'm not. Um so I have a lot of ideas on it. Let's see if I do it. Martin, you've actually got a job that takes up time in in the hobby.

So you are not going to >> Right. No, I'll do it. I'll do it. So so does our now. I mean right? Of course. Yeah. I've got a specific deadline at the end of April. So I'm a little pressured time right now. Yeah, but but through through May I'll I'll happily do so. >> All right. Well, the thing is we've got um Right. We are Bo, my friend, you are the guy who keeps on giving to the best podcast in the world. With six listeners.

>> [sighs] >> He keeps on giving keeps getting nothing back. >> I mean he didn't even comment. So you were right in saying that he uh does does not watch the show anymore because yeah, we fucked him to be honest. But also he doesn't pay. I mean if he was on the patron then he would have had his questions answered like a fucking flash. Do you know what I mean? Like a a motherfucking speeding bullet. Have I put enough swear words in here? That one American lady who just hates swearing will complain again. Um >> Currently the maybe it's not American or lady.

>> Surely it was a lady. >> Might might be neither, yeah. >> [laughter] >> All right. The Dr. Lovebrush, pop that up your ass there. Um and that's the doctor saying it. It's not me. Like that's the doctor. >> Like all doctors say when you under and all doctors yeah.

>> How much do you study real life references for paint jobs? Now obviously we we we we said it but we left it and we've done it in a whole episode. It's been a meat of it. Mr. Bow, so you fuck you for not listening, but we're really grateful for your questions. >> Yeah, real life references. Did we we spoke about that last week, didn't we? >> Ooh, not I think I think I forced you to >> talk about it for ages. >> We literally did a a whole meat on it. It was like an hour and a half. >> Yeah, we did a whole thing on it. >> That's why I'm calling out Bow and calling him a piece of shit for not listening, but >> I think there's an there's annoyance, I think in this question, which is the the real life.

>> Uh >> And I don't think I do use real life that much. I think I I try to use more like already style stylized things, but real life is also very important, of course. >> Good. Let's next. I mean I thought he meant like real life references. Like in real life, do you like use references? But I get what you're saying, like a real photo of a horse. >> Yeah, if you are painting a skin, are you going to pull some random person's skin or are you going to go to art and see different types of skin?

One one gives you a lot less, which is the real, which gives you a lot less, but also it's important to know what the skin looks like. Yeah. >> We're never striving for realism, I don't think, in our industry. >> No, yeah, exactly. Thank you. >> Playability more than realism. >> Yeah, or just if it fits, isn't it? Yeah, like >> But [snorts] stylization comes from reality. So it is very important to do the stylization knowing the reality. >> Yeah, some things I think it's really worth studying real real life. I I feel like we've got an an idea in our head of what wood looks like or what leather looks like or certain metallics and then we look at actual references and that will actually kind of you might be surprised at what you find.

So, it's it's a bit of a mix right? But skin is a good shout really that it's it's more helpful to look at classic art than people. So, there you go both. >> Photography again. Don't look at real references, look at real art. That there there was an episode we did on is models art. >> Yeah, it's good call back. Yeah, people should watch they should watch that too. Like two through the whole season. >> I actually wonder how many views we get like past it. Anyway, do you think blind people listen to the show? Cuz they don't paint, I don't think. Paint, do they?

>> Most of them would not paint. >> Yeah, I wonder if you Google that how many people >> I mean they might. >> And what are they painting? Like elephants can paint, so why can't a blind? And who are they doing it for? >> Who are they doing it for then? >> Have you ever done a blind drawing test anyway? Do you use different varnishes on different parts of a figure? >> Uh not really. I am I I I spoke briefly about my proprietary varnish mix which turns out that Arnaldo does a similar thing. That's more to do with like the overall finish of most of a miniature or all of it, but I won't use gloss varnish to make something shiny or matte varnish to make something extra matte. Like next to anything else on the model.

>> I do use varnish. What does Martin's proprietary secret >> We we just did that. We just did that. >> Do you ever put paint on a figure without first diluting the paint? >> Yeah. >> So You do? >> Yeah, in some cases, yeah. >> If so, in what instances? Yeah, [laughter] behind I assumed it would be annoying your dry brushing. >> Yeah, yeah, of course. On the usually the process would be on my process, first less diluted the middle stage of the figure is more diluted and the last stage of the figure is undiluted undiluted.

So the sketch I like to make it more with thicker paint. It probably Yeah, it it probably is it depends on the paint you use. There are some paints that really need dilution. There are some others that are already in a good consistency. If if it's one of those like Vallejo, AK, in most cases they can work without dilution. If you need Yeah, I think so.

But obviously you cannot paint the whole thing like this. If you wanted to do more brush strokes then yes, but No, it's not for me. But then at the end of the stage as well, you need the punch of color or the punch of light or and then it's much better to have it undiluted. It gives so much better punch. Even if it's a thick paint, so Kimera or artist paints undiluted one last bit and it looks really really good.

It's like a little >> I'd like like just dots and little edges and little detail. >> Yeah, it depends on the area. Yeah, it could be a bit more than that. >> Mhm. I think I've always thought to do that with ink. So I've always been focused on the concept of smooth don't break immersion and and I also think that comes from having a lack of knowledge on where to put the brush or the points, right? Like if If undiluting you have to be pretty fucking confident that you know where you're going to put that brush. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. It's another part of technical. It's the the precision part of technical.

>> I guess it's >> going to say I I could I could imagine using less diluted paints myself. I'm I'm sure I could find uses for that, but I would never actually recommend like trying that for anyone else. I I don't I wouldn't really know how to describe that as being as nuanced as other things where I might go, "Oh, you know, try it out." But when it's just paint dilution, I just think like, "No, you you probably want to start out with more diluted." But it's a it's a very good point with uh the sketching stages. I've noticed that with when you've shown some of the the work you've done where it's more sketchy. I can tell that the paint is less diluted and that's a big point.

Cuz you it actually makes a difference then as opposed to thin paint. >> It it and it actually does a very big difference on the end with how how much thickness there is on in the paint. And the thickness is what makes the color reflect and and you see the Have you ever seen a figure that it feels like it's the color is very real. Like it's a lot a lot more mhm I don't know how to say it. It's It's a very very much there.

It happens on figures that have a thickness of on the paint. Thickness obviously it's not like you can see um clumps, but it's more like there's no water in there. >> Do you think I don't know Martin if you have I don't think I've noticed that and I I think I don't notice that because I don't understand that it's a a thing. Like it's out of my knowledge wheel. It it >> I don't really recognize it either. I'm trying to remember if I've ever thought of where I saw something where I thought the color was as vibrant as you say or there's definitely been instances where I'm like, I can tell that there's paint, but it's literally just a little bit thicker. Like you say, we're not talking about clumps of paint, but like very, very small differences between the virtually no paint at all and a little more.

>> My friend Alejandro does this. And he does it really, really well. Like when you see his figures in real life, they are really different from because he he mostly paints 28 mils. >> Mhm. >> And because people that paint 28, they usually paint very thin and very diluted. And the difference is incredible because the the punching colors is mind-blowing. I wish he was not a a little bitch and showed it more. Because he's so humble and nice.

>> Oh, do tell me more. >> They are they are really, really, really amazing. Of because of that especially. >> I think I can't I I I I I guess we need to Martin and I need to see it and you pointed it out because >> Yeah, yeah, that'd be really great actually. >> If our main rate frame of reference is GD or that caliber, right? We we're not exposed to that. And when I go to Monty >> Yeah, in GD you don't see that. >> Cuz it's not the I don't think I've ever even heard anybody fucking mention it or or suggest that it's a possibility. Um like I feel more for GD than I do for Monty.

So, I I look more even though I don't look that long like comparatively. Uh so so yeah, it makes sense that I wouldn't have seen it. And also the fact that I didn't know that it was even a concept cuz we not painting enough to to know it. I'm trying to think like in my case like when I finish models, normally my finishing is the gems which are basically non-diluted. But that doesn't really count cuz they're they're meant to pop. But I I literally do go from That's the In fact, that's the only thing I don't dilute. >> Have you ever seen, I guess you have, um Banshee's figures in real life?

>> Yeah. >> Haven't Didn't you think this is this color is a bit different? >> Yeah. I I normally always just thought it's cuz he can paint better than me, rather than any any specific style. >> I mean, he uses thickness. He uses He uses thickness on the paint, the actual color. >> Oh. >> And and his figures have a certain type of >> [sighs] >> I don't know how to describe it, but the colors are different because they are >> colors >> You are seeing acrylic. You are not seeing thin coats, >> right?

>> And and >> Yeah. Is it So, how people get this vibrancy and and more up on GD? I'm just coining any smooth um diluted thing. Is Cuz even if you do layer upon layer upon layer, you're still not going to get that same level, right? Cuz you're thinning out the pigments. Even if you put 10,000 layers, it's it wouldn't Yeah, yeah. >> The the finish, I mean, someone who is not used to seeing paints will So, figures will not realize the difference. >> Yeah. >> But but we are very used to seeing them. And I think we can Yeah, I I definitely can see it from a mile away. When someone paints with thickness, it's really really obvious.

>> Mhm. >> In a in a good way, in my opinion. In Some people would consider it a bad a bad thing. >> Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's good preference. It's what makes the world go round. Um, I'm looking forward to seeing that in a weird way. Or or or to understanding it maybe more, like Ah. One day I'm going to be um I'm going to be a guy who knows about this stuff. I'm going to be the You know what I mean? I'll be like, "Fuck yeah, mate. And and the way he applied that paint with that fucking tonality in in in I don't like that that And that affects this thing on that You see that shoulder blade and how it in you know, the this placement of light I'm basically going to be a cunt when I'm like Do you know what I mean?

You know how you you you two experts talk? And they like I can have a conversation about coding with someone and be like, "Yeah, but then this and that." And when you're outside you're like, "Fuck off." >> Is this how you feel when Martin and I talk? >> I was just thinking that. >> Wee, lads, lads, lads. Unless you were serious. Uh No, I just I glazed over sometimes um as a child does when their parents talk. Um but I take it all in. You know? One day I'll be walking down the street and I'll just fart a piece of nugget of information in my own brain.

Do you know I I I need to We need to pause, but it's so weird conceptually that you can trick yourself. I've struggled with this so much. Okay, scenario. >> [sighs] >> I got to go. >> [laughter] >> Just yeah, just put a pin in it. Yeah, we'll do it later. >> It's such a good one, but I haven't got it written down. But yeah, like just quickly you like you dream and then you wake up and you tricked yourself. But I think, "Fuck off." So, your brain tricking yourself. Okay.

When when you have like waking dreams or you just wake up and you just had a dream, right? I often have it that my I'm like, "Whoa, how have I but I'm me?" So, in my dream something happens, okay? And at the end there's this big reveal of this a huge elaborate plot that just happened. And I'm like, "What the fuck? How did I not know that? How could I not know that that was the ending that was going to happen, okay?" And I'm like, "I am me. How How has my brain fabricated this story, which is a fantastic story?" And then like I've not known that this thing that happened was by this person.

How could my own brain trick me? >> Yeah. >> Right? Which is why I think that we are um living in a simulation. No, why I think that we you know we have quantum computing and I understand now that our brains could be um Someone else's fucking driving my brain, all right? And I don't know and they're tricking me and Yeah. Do you get Has that happened to

you? >> Yes. I guess. >> [gasps] >> How do you mean works? Like >> But how can it How can it How can you not know this information? How can your brain create a veil of of knowledge that you you don't have access to when you are your brain? >> Yeah. Do we have the the concept of your brain and you not being the same is something that fascinates me. Because you are your brain but at the same time your brain is more than you. >> It's It's >> Right?

>> Do you know the experiment they do, okay? You put a screen here. And I'm going to get this wrong. Yeah. Do you know that one, Martin? >> I do not know that one, yeah. >> Okay, for anyone who doesn't know and correct me if I'm wrong because I'm pretty sure I get it wrong. Screen in front so one eye sees one side and one sees the other and then they have two prompts in front of the eyes that ask each thing to draw the thing. Now, the important point is your left hand is connected to your right hand is connected to your left eye and your your left hand is connected to your right eye. And it will ask you stuff like blah blah blah and then you'll write down what it says and the other one doesn't know.

Okay. Is that right? >> Maybe. I guess. It's not that fresh in my mind. >> Yeah, I would really love to to find that video. But the concept, let's just go with the concept here. You have two brains in your You have the brain that talks out loud and you have the repressed um no brain that kills your your head, right? And and won't let it it So, you have this one side of your brain is is trapped. It can never talk. They they do um they do surgeries where they cut and they separate the two brains, right? For schizophrenia, I think it is.

Um or epilepsy, I can't remember, but there's a um there's some physical disease, and basically what happens is they it it becomes a storm It's a feedback loop. So, there's no So, the the signals go through, and then they come back, and they just keep going rather than kind of being digested. So, when they cut that thing, it stops those things happening. If they were I mean, we don't have a doctor. We've got six fucking listeners. If we did, it would be great. I wish we had a fucking doctor. >> Um but how cool it is to talk without knowing anything? >> It feels amazing. >> type of talk. >> Knowledgeable. So, so when they cut the brain, these stop happening, and then these brains no longer communicate. So, you literally would have a guy, and we do, but a guy that cannot talk, a whole different personality. They ask the hands what their favorite color is, I think, and they draw different hat colors.

>> What? >> Because they they the prompts they like this, and you can't see what the other one So, what's your favorite music? What's your favorite color? And they'll draw. And then they'll flip the questions, and they'll get different answers. Right? But if you talk out loud, you've only got one voice. I've only got one internal monologue. >> Mhm. >> But if you do this experiment, and maybe you have to have the brain cut for this experiment to work. Because it right now might communicate, and my talking brain is more powerful than the quiet brain, and it will go, "Shut the fuck up. Our favorite color is purple." Now, left-handed people may be a different, because they're freaks.

So, >> Yeah. >> I I dislike this part of my brain. >> Oh, was this a thought of the day? Well, or what? >> No. No, this is um >> Not No, sorry. I'm not actually sure where this comes from, but it's not I that you you post you message just about this and then No, I said it was okay. An hour ago you you were talking about um tricking yourself. >> Yeah, just came in my brain. I was like, "Holy shit, that's crazy, right?" So, let us do Mr. Bow. Welcome back to to the brush off your bottom. This is me doing an impression. I don't actually like impressions. I think they're cheap and and and very unfunny.

>> But, you're so good at them. >> Yes, sir. You do like analogies a lot, though. >> Analogies, yes. I mean, they just help everything. I gave Tina an analogy yesterday for our relationship. Do you want to hear the analogy? >> Yeah. >> Very much. >> It was amazing. I was like, "Look, our relationship is this stream, okay? And it's a trickle. It's a shit trickle. It's like a It's like when you piss at the end when it just bloop bloop bloop right out." Um and then the relationship with the new dude that you've got is like a big flowing fountain of like mhm I don't want to say it, but like water.

And what we're going to do now is we're going to like put a little fucking stop. So, like he gets some and then I and then we rebuild the trickle. And that's why I'm so excited. And that analogy was perfect. She tried to give me an analogy afterwards about cups of tea. It was rubbish. >> [laughter] >> Fucking rubbish. >> Analogy master. >> I told her it was rubbish. That's a non-English person trying to use a tea analogy to an English person. I said the tea She actually rephrased it. She said it's like a cup of tea and there's two cups of teas and blah blah blah. I was like, "All right, no. It's like a It's like a kettle. And we're the cups of teas and yours is a shit cold cup of tea and his is like a warm cup of tea. And now this the what we're doing is a kettle. We're turning on the kettle." And I was like, "Do you know what? That is a good analogy. That That is a good analogy. That might be better than mine, but probably not." Do you use contrast speed paints at all?

>> Yes. I do. >> For what and how and why? >> It's actually very very very interesting. I I did talk about this with some students last uh Sunday. Um what contrast do is they allow you to make a base coat that is pretty heterogenic and textured. Because a contrast paints settle in a very weird way. So, if you put contrast paints in a certain um anarchic way, you can let them rest and and sit and then dry.

And then you have a an heterogenic base. And with that heterogenic base, you can work and enhance it. So, when you want something um more realistic or more uncontrolled, doing a base like this allows you to to enhance that uncontrollability or or or the chaos, if you know what I mean. If you want to do chaos or randomness, doing it uh with purpose is really difficult. It's almost impossible. So, you really you need real um chaos.

And contrast work for this wonderfully. It's hard to tell to to to explain it without um showing. I could show it actually, if you want, on Patreon. With a picture. Yeah. Yeah, you want to You could share your screen actually. Holy shit, guys. You guys can share your screen. Yeah. >> Get that back in job done, mate.

>> That's right. >> Jingles are back. >> I Well, no, but I They were broken last episode, and now after reset, they're working. >> Jingles are back. >> I know. Let me >> Share your screen immediately. >> You son of a bitch. >> Mhm. You puto. What does it mean? Puto, huh? >> Uh kind of word. Or bitch. But it's more like But it's yeah. I mean it is bitch. >> I feel like bitch is an an unusual word because I can't now write bitch without it being flagged as a swear word. But it's literally the name of a female dog.

So when you're around people who breed dogs or talk about dogs, they they will use the word bitch freely because that's just They don't want to say female dog. They want a single word. Bitch. Bitch, please. You little bitch. >> a funny reel where there was a It must have been a video from, I feel like the 70s or 80s, which was about dog breeding where a man very freely used the word bitch and had no idea that anyone would use it differently. It was quite funny. >> For a female dog? >> Yeah, yeah. And he was talking about breeding and it's just just all kind of just any sentence will be funny in that video because it was just like >> Um and then the bitch did this and Yeah, and like when he >> Yeah, exactly.

I'm trying to come up with a good example, but I'll just It's just But yeah. >> What was the What was the other one that I I mean we are just filling dead space here. Why don't I waste our life? >> Yes, yes, yes, yes. >> I can't complain cuz I do that every episode without fail. But it's it's fun now to say somebody else. Um there was a faggot. This guy was talking about faggots, right? He was like fully Uh it was a food he was eating. He was doing a taste test. He was like, "Oh, that's a lovely faggot." Like and when the faggot gets warm like that, you can just lay it down and there's no um cuz that's the real word that he uses, but it's when I only know that word as a derogatory term and then hearing a guy just using it like in earnest.

Was it I think it was. I mean isn't faggot like, I quote Sam, um like >> I thought it was an instrument. I know in Swedish fagot is an an instrument and I'm It's either uh oboe, which we also have a word for or fagot is an is an instrument as well. Yeah, interesting for I don't know if it's an English yes right it's a savory spaghet or savory ducks a meatballs made from minced offcuts and offal especially pork and traditional pigs heart liver and fatty bit. So yeah, he he was eating a fagot and he was going in great detail explaining um how the fagot was good and how it tastes it melts in his mouth and all this it was like oh shit I don't If given half a chance I remember my grandma my great grandma so to be fair she was like she was like oh that's a lovely pussy isn't it? I haven't seen a black pussy like that in a long time and I was like fucking hell and then the another cat came and it was wet and she goes oh my gosh this cat pussy is so wet and I was

like you are joking now you you know what you're doing yeah she's taking the piss yeah if you knew her there is not she's she was matriarchal religious like Mormon like there is no way in a billion years she would ever make a sexual joke like even talking about sex wasn't you you shouldn't do that right it she was that kind of lady. um so I mean the fact I still remember it bless her soul eh years of to be fair she she used to hit me quite a lot cuz I'd misbehave.

>> What? Jesus Christ. >> But it was like it came from a place of like love and disappointment I think. My real I'm real my real grandma did it from a vicious point of view. Right? If that makes sense like there's a subtle difference between getting beaten down from a grandma who just hates your guts to one who's like loves you but like just shut the fuck up and stop doing that thing you little ADD cunt basically. She would never say that or think that because you know mean, she traditional I kind of respected her for it. Um >> So, to any listener who's uh wondering what the fuck um we're waiting for an hour to share his screen.

>> I am I sorry for my >> [clears throat] >> I've enjoyed this. This is the This is like guilt-free Jamie. Do you know what I mean? >> That is the only Jamie we want. That's the basis of this entire podcast. >> I think I think we we we have a nice balance between um giving the people what they want and giving the people what they need. Cuz they don't need They don't know they need this. >> that you might end up in prison for. Yeah. >> I mean explaining a video about a guy eating a faggot is is You cannot go to prison for that because it happened.

>> I completely agree. >> So >> And also that was a genuinely funny anecdote about your grandma and the pussy. >> Yeah. What What What is that? You click share screen. Is that what you mean? >> No. I I know No, what is a faggot? >> Oh, a faggot? Well, it's a derogatory term for a homosexual and Okay, right. Sorry. And it's a food. >> It's a food? >> Savory ducks. Basically a meatball. >> Basically, gay, faggot, and bitch 100 years ago would not have been >> Correct.

Any when you Yeah. >> what they mean now. Yeah, gay is just a jolly person. >> Well, now I'm living in the 21st century as a polygamist or whatever the fuck the word is. Okay, I have authority to talk about things uh that that >> Polygamist. >> Polygamist. Well, polygamy is multiple wives. I do not want another wife. I can tell you that much. >> But polyamorous is the Yeah, of course. It's polyamorous. >> Right. >> So, you're a polyamorist now. >> Could be if I wanted. Um Basically, if there's anybody else who watches the podcast who is open for strange random sex, um you don't have to let me know now, but like when we're in a Oh, that's the wrong video. Like if we're in a van you're like, "Do you want to have a quick like I'll maybe?" Although, it would be awkward if I say no at that point.

Um cuz you'd be like, "Ah, but you just said probably message me before trying like kindle up a relationship beforehand cuz otherwise Yeah, and I don't want I don't want you asking me for sex cuz I don't you know. Right, this is the wrong this is faggots. Where are you then? You can't Calm down. >> I'm going to change the screen. What were you going to show even? I remember that we talked about painting like hours and Oh, yeah, you're talking about contrast paints.

>> Fucking hell. There you go. Best episode ever. We are a joke. There you go. >> I um is my is the screen on? >> It is indeed. >> So, with this kind of random textures on the on the leather, you see? >> Mhm. Mhm. >> You see how there's waves and these are there are patches. >> Oh, yeah, different but quite blotchy. >> Yeah. What [snorts] for this to be like this I did this.

>> Mhm. So, you literally did splodge splodge while it was a bit dry. >> So, because the the contrast settles in a very weird way you can you can let it be more um heterogeneous or wavy, you know? So, it gives you a nice base that it's more random and less because when you do a one flat color base it's it the result will be more towards the cartoonish style, right? Because it's cartoon is just flat colors.

So, the more uh dirty the base is or the more um chaotic the base is, the easiest is the easiest it is to make it more textury real in a way. >> Can you zoom in on the Did you do it on the hat as well? >> Yeah. This is obviously already done. >> The interesting thing I find about it though is you you could still apply this paint in a in a more smooth fashion, right? You could thin it out a little bit and you must have to blob it with your brush for a technique, right?

>> Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, for sure. You you don't want a an super even coat, exactly. That's exactly what you don't want. Um you want it dirty. Um when you want to paint something dirty, you really want dirty. Um another example is this one. So, the metals on this on this three are base coated with contrast with a mix of brown and black and trying to make it as dirty as possible because I wanted a very dirty metal.

So, do you see this? >> Mhm. >> This is almost just the contrast acting here. I didn't do the the nuances of browns and blacks myself. That was the contrast doing it. I did the the lights and the little details, but the the nuance of the color is the contrast. And >> And that's over a zenithal kind of primer it looks like you did. >> Yeah, exactly. A white primer, of course. Uh this I mean, the contrast work on top of white.

>> Right, yes. Yeah, okay. Of course. >> Um All all the lights are are meant to be like this because this is how they should be acting, right? But But underneath all these all these nuances and and I applied some lights on top of the waves of the contrast to enhance it. But the the dirtiness, for example, you see how this black here and then there's this halo of some This is the contrast acting. This is not me. >> And that would have been hard to basically have that idea and then to >> Possible, I guess.

>> It's not only that the idea. >> place it. Yeah. >> But the execution would be a lot more controlled and and exact, right? You cannot make things so so random by by yourself. Or or this This is I I did a few touches on the metal, but most of the metal is is the waves of the contrast and I just used that to my advantage. Same with the helmet as well. See how this there's this halo of brown? This brown was just the contrast not mixed with the black.

>> So two two layers of contrast, right? You can come in with a darker and then build it up. No, of course not. You'd have to go the other way around. >> No, no, you can do. You can do two. You need You put You put one, let it dry, and then do another. >> Yeah, but you don't start with dark. You start with the light, I guess. >> You always start with light, yeah. >> Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah, yeah. >> Um this this waves of brown and black This is all the contrast. I I just did the highlights on top. >> Would you ever do a similar thing for the skin cuz the skin is quite noisy here, too, and there's a lot of like minute color work in the faces.

>> No, the the faces are 100% normal work. >> Yeah. >> Because they need to be a lot more controlled. >> Intentional. Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> The these the the flat surfaces of the metal are just flat surfaces that I want noise, but these a lot more >> Yeah, when there's when there's sculpted detail, you wouldn't trust the contrast to find those Yeah, okay. >> Exactly. >> Um the I like the irony that in this instance you wanted the noise. >> Mhm. >> Cuz of the earlier fuck noise.

>> Sure, sure, sure, sure. We're not We're not forgetting your models, Jimmy. >> No, analogies and models. >> T-shirts, slogans, yeah. >> Oh yeah, we do have actually a t-shirt coming out once they approve it, which they haven't yet. >> Should they stop sharing now? >> Do you want to stop sharing? >> We can just look at this nice photo. It's a fucking good paint job. >> Who we were. >> Stay on it for good half hour more. >> He's picking his nose. >> I I also sometimes use contrast paints because I'm sure everyone wants to also know if I do. And I found that they're nice. They've got a lot of good pigment in them and I tend to sometimes use them with regular matte acrylic paints to make them a little more satiny and almost like a medium to just like smooth them out a bit. I thought that was quite nice.

Um so I use but definitely some of the GW paints like mixing some of the magenta or like purple contrast paints with their reds and blues and stuff will just give it a cheap color. >> Why not use >> like the opposite of what I'm not doing here. >> Why not use inks? Why would you favor that because of the texture and the feel Yeah, go and stop sharing it now. >> Uh because I guess inks would be like a step further. I know uh I know likes to use inks especially you were mentioning for like really dark collections. I think this is just a bit of a almost like a middle ground. They're not quite as different from the regular matte acrylic paints.

>> Yeah, and they are matte with mostly matte. Inks are super shiny and they >> Yeah, exactly. And this would be just like a slight move towards something else. >> they settle differently as well. This This are are weirder in in how they settle so you can play more with the way with the ways and stuff. >> Mhm. >> We wouldn't want to Yeah, so it's all dependent on the project you are doing. >> If you put a If you put a a blob of contrast and then and then you drop a drop of water and you move it a little bit, it does some really really beautiful stuff.

>> Mhm. Pure contrast paint or speed paint or whatever and then some pure water.

>> Damn. >> I guess the more of this to be useful. >> Right. So, let's move on. >> I want to I want to see the subtitles of that. >> [laughter] >> What What's the most effective way to paint an army or kill team, and it has to be a kill team, to a decent level to make it pop and look fantastic when zoomed in? That's brackets. By the way, I am I oiled I had some window fix to the question.

Sorry. >> [laughter] >> You can answer this first, Martin. >> Oh, um I think all the clever techniques uh so so one thing is like uh just it's good to cut corners where you can. Like don't kid yourself about how good something needs to look. You said like for it to look good and pop on the tabletop and look good when zoomed in, have a good think about when when is it going to be zoomed in? Like it's going to zoom in. If someone's going to pick it up and look at it, okay, but like is that what you're going to do on the tabletop? If you just want to play with it, then then paint it for playing with. I find when something is actually made to be played with, I'm also less precious of literally touching it and I won't worry about moving it around on the on the table. So, like kind of move away from you know, move towards it being like a little you know, like a like a Lego minifigure or a toy or something. That's uh that goes all the way from like building to painting. But then I would

just try to find all the clever things that you can do with things like airbrushing and >> [snorts] >> uh then all highlights with contrast paints and all the all that stuff and just uh find a good solid method. But maybe also like keep in mind that again, because it's going to be on a tabletop, it's probably going to be lit by a just a a a ceiling lamp in a regular room. So, you can go really bold with the colors. Like um yeah. Don't underestimate how how much just kind of disappears under normal lighting.

So, those would be some general things. >> I had um in Warhammer Brent Cross, my favorite ever store, um Dean was the manager, I loved him. He had long hair. Um I had my army which was beautifully painted for a 13-year-old. Hours spent. And then some little dickhead had a Tyranid army with neon green and neon purple just like on the on the spines of the models. And my mates came in and they could not get their head round the how good that bloke's army looked. And I was like, "His army's fucking shit, mate. Look at it. It's pathetic." And they were like, "Yeah, but that army like that's that's like you know, that's what an army should look like." I was like, "Fuck off." Um but they were right.

Like it was ultra effective. He painted it like shit. But you you you it had an impact and you could see the models and they were like they they weren't it wasn't like shit like just a bright green everywhere. It was like they looked like Tyranids with these markings, right? I was just um All right, now are you uh you okay there, buddy? >> [laughter] >> You just Um so, yeah. I agree with the sentiment that you if you're going to you can't have both. >> Um no. That's That's right. That's kind of the thing. It's like, don't even think about how to take your normal painting practices and techniques and then speed them up. But, like, try to think different from the from the very beginning. Do different techniques to have it work differently. I've seen people's armies in the just like you mentioned in the shop, like, in I guess workshop store. I've seen people bring like a an Ultramarines army, I guess, and they've used like Macragge blue spray and they've picked out all the weapons bases, sergeant helmets, and things in like just a blocky like a primary color.

And it it's looks fucking great. That's just like that's what the Ultramarines are supposed to look like. I don't know. I'm Yeah. >> When >> I know. >> It's It's very funny because when when I was painting the these goblins with contrast, I was also painting a kill team with contrast. >> Mhm. >> Yes. Um, so I will share the screen annoyingly again. >> I got you, bro. Can you believe you guys can share your screen? I mean, that changes a lot, doesn't it? >> It does. Yeah, we can like ah, fucking now, look at this. That's a kill team.

>> Well, actually, it's just a tabletop, but it happens to be kill team, if that makes sense. >> absolutely tabletop. Like, it's the most tabletop thing ever. It does look good in from this from a distance, but it has zero effort. More or less, it's 1 hour each figure, more or less. Um, and it's because of the of the that same contrast mhm method. So, for example, I mean, you can see that it's very very rough. But, um, for example, this guy with the with the redness and so, while while the contrast is drying, so when while the contrast is is um, wet, you can add multiple uh contrast at the same time and then when it dries it dries smooth between it, right? Because it blends uh a little bit. So, all these things um the arms, the different uh color, this is a bit more um a bit darker.

Um these the legs, for example, all these things these are contrast just applied all together and then when it dries it dries well. And then once it dries um a little bit of airbrush from below >> Mhm. >> to to really mark the volumes. >> Mhm. >> And then a few stupid details, you know, but super super quick and it looks decent. But it's minimal effort. It's zero effort. There's no This Anyone could do this if they had the steps.

>> It looks very good and effective, especially here it looks like. I guess you've got very good Yeah, some of the highlights and stuff like that, it really adds extra value to it. Cuz when you play it in person, yeah, it dies in in a heartbeat, right? >> Yeah. On the on the volumes, for example, this is mostly contrast and then there's just a couple of highlights on top. >> Mhm. >> But there it's it's just it's literally one highlight or or two tops on the on the top of the figure which takes you like yeah, a minute or two.

>> Mhm. >> And and you really have to do anything else. Uh in in in the crude is mostly the face that you clean a little bit >> Mhm. >> but not much and a a little bit of the arms and things that are a bit more visible. See how there's clearly a highlight here to clean this this um this plane. Same as this plane, but but mostly is just the contrast acting on the airbrush. With the contrast on the airbrush, you can do so much.

>> To get into I mean obviously also suits the you know, you're not going to be able to do contrast on certain things on vehicles or or maybe elder or it suits the yeah, it goes without saying really. You almost don't need to say >> That's that's the other thing though to mention is you can make really good choices by which models you choose to build into an army or a kill team. I've always found that the just the amount of different details on a model will very quickly make it take much longer to paint.

>> Yeah. I agree. >> For 40K like I've painted some Genestealer Cultists, they take absolutely ages to paint. Leagues of Votann take ages to paint. They've just got a lot of different sculpted details on them. So it's not like detail as in texture or like the amount of ridges like on Tyranids. It's more like different things on the model, yeah. Different elements. So so Tyranids I think is a great example for of something that you could probably paint in minutes with an airbrush and contrast paints. Yeah. Just the techniques that I'm now talking about, but like looking at these guys, it's basically that but without all the leather and metallics and stuff.

Yeah. It's just about coming up with like a clearer color scheme and then a way to paint that. >> And knowing what it matters. >> Yes, exactly. Yeah. >> noise, right? >> Yes. >> And and you need to know is this adding to the to the finish or is this not just adding if I look at it from this distance? >> Exactly. >> And most of the time is just adding to this distance and and not on the overall So it's actually important to paint in a different position almost. Like you know, you paint from a distance. So if you see it well, >> That's right.

Exactly. Yeah, and I've I've definitely found that with all this being said that like I struggle a lot to paint things for gaming for exactly that reason because it's hard not to look at things closely or to discard things that don't look good and to actually keep that mindset of like I should probably paint five things at a time and then put them on my you know, kitchen table under the normal lamp to see what that looks like cuz that's more representative of what I'm going to use them for. >> Yeah, that is actually so especially when you do table topper.

Seamless. Got that down, boys. Um last question from Mr. Bo. I hope you're fucking happy, mate. Um does and and that's not to deter people from asking questions in the future. >> Please ask questions in Dr. Brush lover love brush. >> Dr. lover lover I like him. He's a lover. Um does wet palette paper make any difference? Please suggest what I can spend my money on. Mhm. So, I did >> for anything that we're supposed to recommend or >> I mean >> our Patreon. You could spend money on our Patreon.

>> Our Patreon is the best place to spend your hobby money by far. >> If you don't want a single thing in return. >> Yes. Yes. >> That's important to stress. You are not getting any content on our Patreon. >> I don't think that's true. >> You get an alert when the new episode's gone out. >> Yeah. That's an expensive hobby. >> You get that for free though. Um Um I used the older wet paper that you could wash and it was fibrous. Um I can't remember what it was called but it's quite a famous one. It's a white big board that comes in two parts.

It's really thick. And then inside it has the wet palette and um I did not like that at all but I still use it for a long time. I do I do like the wet palettes that have a much more wet I mean my wet palette actually is just baking tray. >> Think about >> too. >> Oh, yeah. I still haven't bought that foam yet. For fuck's sake. We should start selling that on our now miniatures and just make crazy money. The best the best foam ever. And it's just foam that we bought from eBay.

Um >> I started using regular Yeah, I started using baking paper as my palette paper because it's cheaper, I think. >> Oh, fun. You feel more manly as well, I guess. >> Yes, anything that's DIY is cooler and better. >> Anything >> I I mean, to stop myself ripping out >> making my own kolinsky sable brushes by strangling kolinsky sables and >> Just use your hair. What like what the fuck? Why not? >> No, but it's a lot more manly killing things. >> Oh, it is actually in fairness. >> I'm pretty sure I could use a cat, but I I don't know if I want to kill one, though.

>> You could just You don't kill them. You just pluck the hair out. >> Yeah, using the tail of a of a of a life cat is the ultimate dry harding. Oh, yeah. While it's Yeah, of course. While it's like attached to the animal. Yeah, of course. >> Yes, yes, yes, yes. It'll probably look like mine. Artwork on the tail. Um So I just use a little bit of Vaseline. Just >> It is a good excuse. My my kolinsky was alive. >> Yeah, and it was flapping around. I hit it on the head and it just attacked me. So >> [laughter] >> Fair enough.

I've So, yes, wet palette. There you go, mate. Enjoy it. Oh, knock yourself out. But also, I forgot to say I bought pre-cut uh baking powder trays. Cuz I was sick on that the fact that I now rips his bacon. >> You are the laziest motherfucker. >> Fucking annoys me so much. >> Well, I know. I thought that I thought I thought that's what you do is you have a tray with paper that fits exactly. Well, it fits exactly in width, but obviously the length >> Oh, but you still have to Oh, what? So annoying.

>> But >> So fucking annoying. That he does this. >> It's so so fucking simple that it's actually actually enraging. >> [laughter] >> It's so annoying. >> Be- because I I have it in my in my first drawer here, like here, literally. I can just do this. >> Show them how disgusting it is. >> See? Here. Uh it even does zoom because it's so well done. And I can And I take it out. And just >> I'm absolutely sick of this process already. Do you have a scissor? How do you get a straight cut, though? Wouldn't you get like >> Why would I >> then but then you put it down and it doesn't fit perfectly and you're >> Of course it doesn't fit perfectly. Who the fuck cares?

>> Do you not have crippling OCD? >> Yeah, exactly. >> Do you think I do at this point? >> I flatten mine out, but >> No. >> I'm trying to relate. >> Right. >> Trying to explain why this is a problem for some for the rest of us. >> Look at that. >> 100 sheets. >> This is insane. This is like buying a banana that's cut and peeled in a plastic like it's the same. >> I mean, they do sell that. >> Literally. >> They do sell that. That sounds like a wonderful product. >> And when someone buys it, you judge them, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> Right, so >> I'd like to punch that person in the face.

>> Do you want to hear something funny? Yeah. >> Yes. >> Any minute. >> I bought these like 6 years ago. And I I've I've not gone through 100 sheets yet. >> I mean, I'm not I'm not uh surprised. >> 7 years. >> So, when are they going on eBay? >> I I And they don't make them anymore. So, I'm actually terrified of what I'll do. I think I might stop painting when I can if I can't get more of these sheets, like What you do is is is borderline It's like like I'd rather cut my toes off.

You are sick. I'll be honest with you. I know. >> So fucking severe, too. >> [laughter] >> I like Oh, my mic wasn't on yet. >> I would rate this It's so fucking easy. >> There's some things I won't sacrifice in life. Wife, another man is fine. Paper, I'm out, mate. Also, why has your head gone down now? I have to move myself out anyway. No one would care. Um it's Okay, boo. You're finished. Thanks, mate.

>> So are we up to date with both questions? >> Yes, both, but we have many more questions to ask from the from the populace. We have Steve the seventh listener, which I thought was a good name. Nick M, Larking Nick M, Excalibur, Robin Nick M, Russell. I don't have a fucking clue who Russell is. I'll be honest with you. No No offense, Nick uh Russell. If you are listening, let me know. So, last signing off,

Okay, darling. Thought of the day? >> Yeah. Two. Plus one more. >> It's a It's a It's a proposal for a new segment. >> Good. >> I honestly think genuinely don't remember writing this down. We each call the other wives up.

So, I call your or your girlfriend wives, okay? And get them to tell us what to say to the other wives. Oh, I see. I call my wife, and you tell me what to say to her. >> Oh, like >> On loudspeaker. >> Impractical Jokers, almost. >> Yeah. >> some jackass shit. >> What was Impractical Jokers? >> Wonderful. I'm amazing. I just Is there something just called Impractical Jokers? >> Impractical Jokers. >> And they just call up people >> Impractical Jokers.

>> I don't I love it. Of course. I love it. I just Yeah, it makes me laugh like little things. >> So I mean, I feel like now in the current climate you guys would have a lot of ask or to to do questions, but um Yeah, that was just an idea I had. So, that was number two. I mean, we did we the the practicality of it might not be real, but I think it could have been funny. You might have to vet it. >> We we should do uh our wives um reacting to one of our episodes.

>> Oh, interesting. >> That would be very That would be very funny, actually. >> Like like giving a synopsis or or or watching and we film them watching. >> Yes, watching. >> I don't know if I like >> Yeah, like a split screen. Just have the episode. Maybe just like a super cut of >> Yeah, and then you and then you >> Yeah, most ridiculous bullshit. >> could even ask questions, right? Like they would do that when they they like the kids react to the vine or something and then they they pause it between everything and they're like They're like, "Oh man, this is so weird." They're always American. Um >> So, if you want us to do this segment and you think it sounds fun, uh we'll put it on Patreon.

>> Look at the shout. It is effort, though. I will just throw out the idea. We would actually have to put effort in. It costs. >> Like chain chain them exactly. Chain them. >> I am >> effort >> Oh shit, we literally got a new uh patron just now. >> [laughter] >> So, that's our fourth patron. >> Thanks. >> Wait, is that to me? That might be to me. Hold on. Wait a minute, it is. No, it is. Holy shit. So, that is from the tired brush. >> Thank you. Yes, Good luck. >> You have um inadvertently just wasted your $6 cuz you are getting nothing for that except for your patronage and your love and our um deep appreciation. So, there we go. That's it, boys.

Thanks for coming. >> Finishing an episode with a new listener with a new patron is like >> I don't know. It's pretty weird, right? >> Very professional. >> We should do patron only jumper t-shirts. Maybe the I'm the sixth listener with with us in in um Spartacus should be the t-shirt that they're allowed to buy if they're a patron. >> Mhm. >> Do you get what I mean? Like so, you do patron and then you can get it. >> Patron exclusive t-shirt, yeah. >> Basically. Um I mean yeah. I'll see you next week.

>> [laughter] >> Good luck as well. >> Right.