How to create beautiful art by not caring too much?

I I actually forgot that this thing existed and I I also I just I was in the zone. I was locked in um and I also forgot to do the stats website. I was like I checked it like yesterday. I was like what the fuck two weeks like so yes, it's been rather enjoyable to say the least. So but now we're back. Yes, it's very much so remember when we used to say that it didn't work out well. Right. So we have Dr. Love Brush which has no audio no jingle but this is the first time we've had new Dr.

Love Brush and I've enjoying people's confusion about how can you ask a question when you know, it won't get answered for about six months and that's fair. I think cuz the old one literally that's such a cynical perspective man. We'll answer it when we answer it me know now even we've been in that thread in discord answering questions on the fly. Oh, really? Yeah, we we participated a little that is so so love brush questions that users submit. >> [snorts] >> Taskmasters.

Which is kind of a failed thing. But no. Let me rephrase. For me, it's failed. But there's some fantastic taskmasters. Taskmasters is every one or two months or three weeks, whatever. We come up with a task. Everybody does it who is And so, ironically, there's five. We've got seven listeners, I think. So, it's going well. Um It's a creative outlet. We have Thought of the day. >> Mhm. >> Of course. Yeah. Uh what else do we have? Fuck me. The news. We've got some news.

>> Mhm. Kind of. >> 11th. >> We can talk about it. It's old news, but yeah. >> Um so, what? That's it. We've got love brush, taskmasters, potentially new taskmasters. Um >> Thought of the day. >> Thought of the day. A would you rather that I could make up on the spot, which is always fun to >> Yeah, we're we're going to throw some stuff. >> [laughter] >> I mean, this is looking like a bleak episode, I'll be honest. But then again, our listeners >> Yeah, but they they're so stupid, they don't know. I mean, the fact that they even lit like Well, that said, actually, we had basically no listeners last week.

>> Feel like at this point, we're down to maybe one or two listeners. >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> Would make sense. Is there nothing else that we have to do? Like, is there like >> But but we always say that we have many things to do and we do one or two and then we leave like four or five >> This is actually quite good. >> So far, this is this is like every other episode. >> Yeah. >> We're listing 17 things that we think we're going to talk about. >> And yeah, we are going to do one or two. I mean Yeah, it's definitely what happened in the last few episodes. The thing is, we get into this heavy shit, right?

And then it's it's hard to not get into the heavy shit cuz it's so interesting. Um So, taskmasters. I I Give me a sec. You two, quickly talk amongst yourself cuz I am going to quickly >> We I don't think that there's a way to fail Taskmasters including not painting anything at all. I think it's still not really >> [snorts] >> failing. I arguably you haven't really participated if you haven't done anything at all, but it's still like it's such a bullshit optional thing anyway.

>> Yeah, it's I think this this month or this two months have been a bit weird because we haven't even talked about it much during those weeks. So it was hard to get the hype rolling. So I'm really happy that some people did it. I actually am surprised. Um and the outcomes are pretty fucking cool. >> Yeah. >> Overall like it's I think it's one of the best. Um even if we haven't pushed for it.

So >> I think that the I think I wanted to give you an excuse why I did it and then I was like actually cuz every fucking week or month I give an excuse. I did go through like a separation divorce which is quite a good excuse. I have to say. >> Yeah, you have an excuse. I I would I would definitely give you a hard time if you haven't had an excuse. >> Yeah, and and I did the other Taskmasters. >> Yeah, you did. >> So basically I am the best. Um So I can't push I can't play music with this headphone anymore, right? It's this one. So from now on um no one has to worry about me playing music. So let us jump in share screen. Oh, you can just see me doing that, can't you? Oh, well. There you go.

And then I need to change this. I mean I am weirdly a a midget there. Um share my screen anyway. What is that? Why is that so small? >> Isn't that small? >> Right, now it is. It's crap. >> Looks fine for us. >> Yes, yes, yes. It was broken for me. Okay. >> This is our house. This is mine, yeah. >> This is random. I didn't pick the order, by the way. I've got no um Got no shoe in the boat. I know. Oh, this month's Taskmasters was to create a base with no models.

So, to get artistic and creative creative. Uh I do believe that was the MO, right? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Okay. >> So, um >> I want to check something. >> Um It's not exactly what I wanted because I didn't have enough time or I was maybe not as invested as I wanted, but it's it's a pretty straightforward thing. Uh just just war. War is shit. And and and kids and kids [snorts] and war.

>> That's hence the drawings and the blood. >> Yeah, the the drawings are literally the whole thing of the piece. Like it's the only thing I would really wanted to do. Uh they are super super small. >> Did you paint them or did you print off? >> Yeah, yeah, I paint them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it was very fun. >> Looks like a real kid's drawing. I know. It makes me think that you were trying to do something good, but you are just a shit artist, so you drew kids. And [snorts] then >> Yeah, that's that's how I draw. >> Yeah, that's how I draw. >> I might try drawing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

>> That's you. >> That scale, I think that's better than anything I could have painted. >> Um it's Yeah, it's extremely small, but it was super fun to to try to do something this small and to look like something. >> Hm. >> What did you do the paper? How did you do the the paper? >> It's a it's a bit of resin that it's already this shape. >> Why would they have Why does that exist? >> It's a an urban urban kit from make it epic.

>> I see. >> And there's papers and there's >> So, that's actually paper cuz it I feel like there there might be pieces in that kit that that are supposed to be like metal or something. >> I think it's metal. >> It really does actually work very well. >> Um >> I like the flowers as well. >> Yeah, it's I mean it's straightforward. Just >> Nice color still. >> Mhm. >> That dirty down. >> Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, if only someone who worked there wanted to give us free dirty down for us to promote.

>> crazy. We would use it so much. >> We would literally and we would talk about it every episode as well. >> Every single >> Actually, I had a little hiccup with with the dirty down because I didn't close it properly and I shake it and it was like >> Oh shit. >> Everything is rusting now. >> Fuck. Did it go in your mouth? No. [laughter] Okay, sorry. I was just checking. >> It went It went in my shirt and my pants. So, I had to I I had to literally go and strip down and put the things in the in the washing machine so it didn't dry on me.

>> All over like all melodramatic and go oh no. Um [snorts] and then accidentally I mean, I don't know why the in your mouth thing took such a sexual turn there. Um Um >> Well, it did. I think I heard a story with my mate Graham which is definitely not suitable for the podcast. >> But, you are going to tell it anyway. >> I don't know. I'm a changed man these days, you know. Um Basically, he told me he was like jizz is not a nice tasting and I was like dude, like what? And he was like [snorts] yeah, I got some of my own in my mouth.

>> [laughter] >> Huh? And he's just I didn't ask, by the way. He was He was telling me this unprovoked. Uh and he was just like, "Yeah, I was just lying down and it just went plop in my mouth." >> If you have that If you have that information, you you would probably be keen to share it. >> I fucking would. And then I'll be like, "Num num num num num. It's lovely. Give me more. Um Lovely, Arno. Thank you, mate. >> [laughter] >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Arno submitted many photos. >> And that's all I got. It's all he gave me to do the thing. I am It does uh Like, this isn't a reflection of your piece, mate. Um it does also remind me that you can just paint without having any uh preconceived uh pressure or You could say that right now I'm a ball I'm like an emotional um emotional wreck.

Mhm. With painting. >> this in like 3 hours or so. So >> That's what I would have guessed cuz it looks really, really nice. >> [laughter] >> How long, Arno? >> It looks like shit. No. >> No. >> But yeah, it's >> This mine is That's way too good for for for a Taskmaster's like um >> That's a good >> You just can't turn off your inherent skill. Can you? >> That's very nice of you to say. Uh I don't I I don't know, man. I am I am I was pretty sure I what I wanted to do with the the base, everything that's underneath the axe. And then I just thought like, wouldn't it be fun to put um a weapon that's not weathered at all?

>> Mhm. >> So, uh the idea That's basically the whole idea. It's just to have a weapon. Like I was I was kind of looking for pieces, maybe like a sword or and then I found uh this This axe has two hands attached to it. It's from the Cities of Sigmar uh clan, whatever. And I just chopped off the hands and put it together. And I And then And I thought I'm not 100% sure what this is supposed to mean, but I That's kind of fun, too." >> It's all right. It's okay. >> Yeah, and it's it's it's actually I I was actually kind of more pleased that there wasn't an obvious narrative, and people can kind of uh read into it what they want. I've asked some people, like, "What do you think this is?" And someone was like, "This could be uh uh like a warrior that's laying down his axe at the foot of his father's statue." >> Brilliant. I mean, fucking hell.

>> Okay, interesting. And then someone else What There was someone in the in the Discord that had like a really kind of bleak take on it. >> That makes sense. >> I don't know. I thought For me, it was almost like it it's kind of something to do with it not not um rusting and not getting weathered, that it would like stand the test of time or something kind of thing. >> I 100% had it in my head that there was a dwarf. He had it standing upright. He went for a shit. And then somehow it just knocked over. >> That's He's just out of >> Yeah.

>> He's just He's in the bushes. Yeah. >> Yeah, he's literally He's round the Yeah. Go on, Anna. >> I'm saying that it's clearly what it is. >> Yeah, there's no other interpretation, right? >> That's what it is now. Yeah. >> Yeah, I don't know why. That's Honestly, that's the narrative I But the fact that it did come out into my head means that it's open and cool for that respect. That that there is no >> I like. I I Yeah, I genuinely like that people can look at it and read something into it. Um and it was it was a good opportunity to fuck around with moss more and see if I can make it look better, and then the little fern thing is from They called It's a good It's a company >> fern.com >> Sure.

>> ferns-r-us >> ferns-r-us, is that it? >> You take our We take your money, we take your ferns, something like that. burns for you >> I'll fuck you on fire. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Ferns >> Well, yeah, exactly. Where the ferns go to die. Yeah, fucking hell. >> [clears throat] >> Um >> So, uh >> black fern down >> I wish I could remember what they're called now cuz they I did shoot some of their products. No, no, no, it's not Gamer Grass. It's uh >> Green stuff. >> it's something No, no, no, it's it's one of the non-huge companies. It's just a guy that does like really quality stuff.

>> Dragon head models, I guess, if it's quality and just a guy. >> That's that's what it would be. I am just a guy. I refuse to let go before I figure this out. >> Do you ever sometimes just catch yourself and just think, "Fuck, yeah." Like, yeah. Do you know what I mean? Like, you you >> Sexy. When But without the sex. For something I've done myself. >> No, I just like your reflection. >> Oh, if I do? Um rarely. >> Yeah, same. >> Yes, no, I feel like you do a lot, don't you?

>> I am It's actually hilarious. If we're going to get serious, I look at myself in the mirror and I'm like, "Yeah, your face is all right. You've got nice green eyes or some shit." And then I see a photo and I'm like, "Fuck, you are a mess." You're like a >> Mhm. >> You're like, "Jesus, like, that's what I look like." But I'm like, "Yeah, all right, that's what I look like." It's like your voice. When you hear your voice, over time you just get used to your twat voice on like I don't even hear my voice now when I listen back to the podcast or whatever cuz it's just I know now that that's my voice. But I remember when I was like 16, 17 and first start recording shit, I was like, "Oh my god, I sound like that?" >> Mhm. It's horrible.

You're not used to it yet. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am now. Yeah, but the first few times. And I think that's what it's probably going to be like if I ever watch myself have sex for some reason. Um you'd be like, "Fuck, why would she let me do that?" Like, there's something wrong with her, I think. Um So, yeah. There you go. >> This is um Just waiting for my What's the annoying thing of all time? >> We might come back to you then. >> Yeah, no, I'm I'm not letting this go. You can, for sure. Like, just move on with your life.

>> Feel like think we should literally make a website called ferns for you. >> Mhm. >> And only sell ferns like just ferns. >> And then if we just the best ferns, yeah. >> Well, we could also sell models, but it's like instead of a model, we've made a fern from that model. Like an AI mock-up of the model made of ferns. And then when you buy it, you get the real model. Anyway, fuck it. Next one. >> It's incredible that you were just waiting for me to find this thing for so long. Okay, they're called Pause for dramatic effect. Earth Works Scenics. You can look them up on uh >> We should link it, mate. We should link it.

>> Scenics. Yeah, find a good link for them. But the guy has made really good little like mini dioramas to make you go, "Wow, I want to do that." And then you buy it. Paper plants and you have to like work with them quite a lot, but they're uh very very fiddly, but but it looks cool. >> My my advice, Mr. Fern, if you're listening, is change that fucking name. Do do like I don't want to be rude, but that's not memorable. And if you want to like be in people's brains, ferns for you. I mean, don't do that cuz I want to have that domain, but literally just not ferns massive scenic underscore under a tree near a branch by the moon.

>> You've already forgotten what they're called, haven't you? >> Yeah, I literally have. Oh, no, actually, I remember. No, I don't. Yeah, like like So, I don't Yeah, like I say, I'm not I'm not being rude, but you need to hear that truth. And um what I've learned since my um separation and and my uh two week um [snorts] Yeah, I was going to say love affair, but it wasn't affair. But um is uh if you can be honest to people without being rude, you probably should do it.

>> Yes. Yeah, find that balance. >> Yeah. This is the This is like the best one, right? >> This is insane. >> I mean, by a pretty pretty good margin, this is the best one. >> Maybe one of the better ones we've done in Taskmaster. >> Mark and I I'll be honest, I really fucking like this from you. >> Thank you. Appreciate >> So so I don't want to be like this is the best or this isn't best. I don't want it to be a competition. >> No, you're right. You're right about that. >> I don't want to underscore like like I genuinely saw that and I was like, "What the fuck?" Like why why is it so smooth and good and like just it very rarely. So, yeah, this um this has a lot going on. This isn't just some like piss in the woods. Do you know what I mean?

>> Yeah. >> What? >> It's ambient. >> It's rare that I Yeah, exactly. It's rare that I can't really even see uh the I mean, I can, but like there's no clear distinction between the background and the miniature bits. 3D bits. >> Honestly, like the fact that there's like so Oh, wow, my volume has not changed. There's actually a narrative here. There's a Batman hat and a Batman cloak. Like he's giving up something. Oh, he chose himself. >> You you chose yourself.

You like I It's It's Do you know what I mean? I didn't It's [snorts] a journey. It's a journey. >> Yeah, I know. I Exactly. So, I get it now. Batman's like, "You know what? I'm done. I gave everything that I could. >> Mhm. >> [clears throat] >> Uh fuck it. Yeah. I mean, fuck it makes it sound like you're but it's yeah, like it's hard to choose yourself is what I've learned from um from separation. It's basically impossible. And then after separation uh it's also really hard to choose yourself because you don't know how. And when you do um potentially some people get hurt.

I think you you you learn from each one. I know that this is Taskmaster's isn't meant to go that deep, but maybe it is. But yeah. um It's like character building, isn't it? You you >> Yeah, it's it's exactly what the this That's what they said in the Discord. I think it's the perfect way to use this this um prompt for the Taskmaster, right? The Taskmaster was an empty base with meaning. And this is very much um that. I really like it. >> Mhm. Can draw. Those buildings actually have perspective.

>> Mhm. >> That's insane. >> Yeah, I love how how well the comic style is integrated with the 3D and the background. It's It's Yeah, it's amazing. >> Also, I think out of the three, yours, mine, and this at least, you're right that we shouldn't be like best and worst and whatever. It's not competition, but this is the one where I think this is a competition piece if you want it to be. This is like an actual complete thing. I don't think I'll bring my little base with an axe to like Monte, but this is a This is a really good thing. You should bring this to Monte.

>> to have effort. It has real effort. >> Yeah. I think you should take yours to Monte, but yes. Um Although Monte's the worst place to bring it. Take it to Golden Demon. Into open or some shit. But yeah. Um Yeah, it's also kind of sad in a way because I like I don't I haven't actually really gotten any kind of um sadness over my 15-year relationship. But the not choosing yourself like Like um Carl, my other mate, right? My other mate. Got two.

Um He was like when I'm talking about this new relationship I have he's like I'm It's sad for you that that that's like your bar. If you get what I mean, like just having spending time with someone and then not hating you watching TV. Like these things mean a lot to you. And he's like that that that shouldn't that shouldn't be like >> Yeah. >> you know, that's a normal thing to do. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Yeah, to enjoy someone's company and >> That shouldn't be exceptional, right? Yeah. >> Yeah, and and look forward to spending time with them and all this stuff. So, um yeah, like that I mean I'm Yeah, I'm not I'm obviously not Batman. I'm better, but um it is interesting when you look back with perception or perceptive pers- perspective and you're like, yeah, Batman was giving up himself for so long. Which is obviously, yeah, I'm not saying that this is that, but like yeah.

Give up himself for so long and then finally you're like, right. But it was interesting, it was forced on me. It wasn't chosen. Anyway. >> Yeah. >> That that that part I'm very very grateful for, but this is excellent. And it's it's rare to see um uh well, a taskmaster, like you say, Mark. But all the taskmasters seem to have fucking >> Uh this Yeah, this is a good addition and what I'm happy is that it gives people um the the base for doing something, you know, because all these things should wouldn't have been done.

>> Yeah. >> Uh if we haven't did this, right? The or this prompt. And I'm super happy that you know, it's not that like everyone has to do it, but if someone does it and someone >> There is >> creates something thanks to it, then that's that's amazing. I I actually think it's good. Yeah. >> Would it be I suppose it wouldn't be helpful to go into how people did it. Like I'm trying to work out what would people want. Is it just looking at stuff and us talking? I suppose they just want the company, don't they? They want to hear voices.

>> Yeah, I don't think it it matters that much. >> I think it's >> more about the the the simple way of looking at at hobby, just doing it. Just just and that's it and enjoy and and who cares about anything else. >> Well, yeah, like I I I think when I posted uh I I I sent you guys a photo of this and uh now you asked if I thought it was fun and then I wrote half jokingly, but also not jokingly. I was like, yeah, it's nice to do something that no one in the whole world gives a fuck about, including me.

And of course, the the real point of that comment is that should be the the that should be what how you approach the hobby anyway. >> Yeah. I saw it. >> Cuz no one actually cares about anything I do. It doesn't matter. Like, yeah, if I'm doing commission or if if it's that's a very specific reason. But other than that, it's like it should be like [clears throat] this every time. You should just do stuff you feel like. So, it's good to have something where it's really kind of like I'm um even more so the previous two that I did for Taskmaster was like, I'm absolutely fine putting these in the trash can.

That was like a very attitude to have. And I haven't done anything in the hobby for years like that. >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> Yeah, I think that's that I mean, that's what Taskmaster technically was for. A creative outlet where you're not worried about shit, right? Um I'm not there yet, but I'm loving my and you're getting there. Maybe you're the fore- forefather of our children. Um doesn't matter. Yeah, this is great, by the way. It would be >> Yeah, the rust the rust effects here is like 10 out of 10. >> Yeah, I love it. All of it is very very well done.

This looks plasticky, Steve. I don't want to be critical. Put some uh thing on that. Whereas everything else, fucking hell. Yeah, it's it's he's done well, ain't it? He has. I know um even these little bits of plastic look fucking good. And the the brakes >> about um abandoned cars. They are so cool. It's just magnetic. >> It is weird that you can create a scene of just on a base, isn't it? Like like this is a scene again, like yours um uh MP. [snorts] Like you're you can go wherever you want with this. It could literally be a car. It could be a post-apocalyptic world. It could be like there's, you know, >> Yeah, and you could do like a zombie apocalypse and you can have a wire or you could have >> cuz I love really passive scenes that people do where there's very little action. There might be uh loads of models, but there's nothing really going on or you there's more of a yeah, like just a more passive scene. I think this

is just taking that. Sorry? >> That we we see so much posing models that that mean nothing. >> Yeah. Exactly. And I think this is like taking that even further where there's literally nothing going on. There's nothing animated made it at all. There's like just but it's still really great. Um It's nice to see stuff like this sometimes. >> But >> [clears throat] >> I love films where the the ending is just completely open. Matrix. You don't know what the fuck's going to happen, right? So your your brain goes to where you want it to go. Obviously we got two and three which I do love, but I still think the ending of one was fantastic. And um unlike Lord of the Rings which is just fucking shit. So like when you see a thing like this, you can go anywhere with it. And it is it's it's nice.

I do like it. Except except that here I definitely have a dwarf doing a shit. Here there's no dwarf doing a shit. Do you know what I mean? >> I actually I actually think we should be do this again. >> The same exact theme? >> The same prompt? >> Yeah, when I'm back in it when I'm when I'm fighting fit. Yeah, but yeah, this is great Steve by the way. I don't know if he's selling it or whatnot. Um reach out to him if he is. Against it's a very anti-taskmaster if he does sell it. Um >> Yes. >> This is pushing the boat though, isn't it? I mean it's taking it as raw as form.

>> I mean doing a base without without anything is like the exact [laughter] point. >> It's like write a song. Here's the title. >> I know he he said that it was not he was just doing this and then it fit, but >> Yeah. >> this was not his not his submission. >> I still think it's cool. It is cool. Yeah. It's a very big statement. Um and whatever this thing is on the front is cool. So well well played. Is that it? Are we done? >> I think so, yeah.

>> Didn't MJ MJ LG do one? >> I don't think so. I've not I've not seen anything on this card. >> Yeah, well. That's very unlikely. >> Mhm. Well, he's been busy. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Look at see >> Not that busy. All right, right, right. >> Oh, damn. >> I don't know if it was busy like that. >> Yeah, I don't fairness. Um Right, let's have a little bit of light frothy entertainment. You ready?

Hold on. Mhm. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Okay, yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Okay. >> In your own time. >> One six. >> One. >> Fuck. I think we might have even done this already. And it is genuinely um interesting. >> [snorts] >> I think I literally Is it about music? We've done one on music before. How music has longevity.

>> I don't know. Uh maybe not. I I don't think so. >> Why does some music What? You don't listen to Excuse me? to Right. Right. Right. Why does some music have longevity and others does not? Right? So, um sometimes I can listen to music and I've been listening to it for 30 years and I go back and it's still as fresh as it It's like a slap in the face with a dick, right? And then other music I realize I had this fan on the whole time in my mic. Other music I listen to for a month, 2 months like nonstop, absolutely smash it out and then I I'll listen back now and like, that is shit.

Um [snorts] and it kind of got me thinking about like humans and uh music in general, you know? Like music's been around forever. It was just singing with our voices and banging on the floor and stuff. But it's still so uplifting. So I I find it Oh shit, we had our first doctor reply, by the way. Oh, let me go on. Carry on. Well, I was the one talking. Um >> [laughter] >> like it's just baffling. There's some things in life I don't I don't like I can understand why green is so nice for us, because it's life and we associate it with with health and so there's an I understand there's a um an evolutionary advantage to that, right? Compared to uh actual feces that flies are on, right? Cuz they literally get you ill.

So you will have learned over when you were animals to not smudge in shit. And yes, to go and eat that that plant or some shit that was was fresh. So that side I get. Um [snorts] but why music, you know? Community? You You made me You could only do music with other people. Um >> I mean, you can do music by by yourself and it's still >> Yeah, but but it's just nowhere near as like good as if you had 10 people all like banging their feet on the floor, everyone singing. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Do you know what I mean? >> I think I think the the the the weird thing to me is always um uh been notes and tones and chords. Like why do we think um a a major chord basically Yeah, why do we think these things sound good? Like what biologically and evolutionary >> Yeah.

>> reason do we have to to like those sounds? They make no sense to me. You can you can look for things like, oh, you know, the sound of like a child laughing would be instinctively nice to us or even like the sound of birds, like birds singing. Maybe you can kind of make a connection there between like bird singing and music, but >> It's not as good though. >> That seems like a stretch. >> Yeah, they're not like >> It's really weird to me that like yeah. >> You're not going to have three birds all singing ah ah ah. I just wouldn't expect that, right? >> Why do we like harmonies that way? It just doesn't It doesn't make a whole lot of sense as much as it's like super ubiquitous. Every person would probably agree.

>> Mhm. >> Not that like this sounds good and this does not cuz there's also a billion different styles of of musical cultures, but there's something about >> isn't it? Yeah. >> Yeah, there's something I I think there's something like biological about certain chords. That that's pretty cool to me. >> But that I can't get my head round, right? Because there's nobody in the world who doesn't like some music, right? There's people who like music more and not, right? But everybody would still be like that tune touches me or blah blah blah, right? >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> Yeah, yeah. >> Uh yeah, I just It's just fucking weird. Like I basically think that we're weird.

Humans are fucking like I think that we are some like out of character broken thing. Like I I feel like evolution shouldn't have evolved us to be where we are. You know? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Like there's a a a clip of Brian Cox, the the >> the doctor man science, whatever. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love I love him. And [clears throat] he says that we are basically stardust, right? Or collections of atoms from stardust and uh it's it's so we are part of the universe that that understands the universe and create the music and stuff.

>> Yep. >> Which is if you if you think about it like it's so special to man. Feels so special. >> Well, there's also something of importance. We we why religion exists, why this having to put yourself at the center of the universe and at the worth like we are very egotistical beings. >> Yeah. This is something that's that that kind of fucks with me a little bit with like our perception of things. We We like to assume that things are objective, but every single thing that we know and think still comes from our perspective.

So, there's like colors that animals will see that we can't, sounds that we can't hear. Um I mean, maybe not dimensions. I don't think there's like insects that will perceive a fourth dimension, but I think there's like I think about stuff in space and and we're we've got this pretty good idea of like how big the universe is and we can measure it and we've got names for all the planets and everything, but that's still not objective at all. That still all comes from us. That's just what we think of everything. Which is both completely obvious, but it kind of again it's like, but fuck, I want I want more than that. I want more truth than that. I want something that's even more certain, but like that doesn't exist. All we have is us.

>> Yeah, we're trying to make sense of stuff. And then you can't You get You hit a wall when you're like, but why? >> Yeah. >> Why do atoms exist? Why do photons exist? Why does anything And you just can't answer it. It's impossible to answer. >> And that's what you said which I which is makes it completely true what you said about us being like a kind of evolutionary mistake cuz like every other animal on this earth doesn't care about that stuff. Dolphins, as smart as they are, aren't going to swim around and be like, but why though? >> Well, I I've recently learned that um sex is basically all in your head. I I That that that concept is very weird for me.

Like I thought it was all about feeling and sensory and blah blah blah, but nah, it's like everything is in your head. Not everything. 70% let's say. I don't know. Making up percentages here, but yeah, that also confused me. Um on a similar train. Also, [snorts] there's um some bloke who some guy was like, if you could if you could had a translator for an animal, you could talk to a lion and understand it, but you wouldn't know what he's saying. Because the frames of references are just so different. Like even if you could speak the language, you'd be you'd be like and you'd be like, what the fuck are you talk Like none of what you're saying makes any sense whatsoever.

And the same way, like So, basically Dr. Dolittle's bullshit. Um >> No shit. >> Yeah, documentary Dr. Dolittle, that doesn't Exactly. All right. >> I don't know, man. I am Yeah. I I I I Things are easy in the world, right? But as soon as you start thinking about stuff, it becomes harder. >> Mhm. >> [snorts] >> I Yeah, until these last 2 weeks, I don't think I'd overthink anything in my life, really. And now I'm like >> Not a single thought in 40 years. Not a single one.

>> Not overthinking. >> Just say it. >> Oh, I see. No, but it was just like you just everything everything is easy, everything works out. Shit's hard, you get sad, but if you don't have to, you know, you're just you're sad. I don't have to like psychoanalyze why. The psychologist and like that I'm seeing that I think that's what they're called. He's He's fucking good. I I'm looking forward to talking to him about my life history and why. But at the moment now, he's just like, "You're an idiot." Or this is wrong, or that's wrong, or like you're you're blah blah blah. >> He sounds great.

>> I honestly like he he he was literally to me yesterday. He was like, "Yeah, you've you are like a What you're doing right now is is completely wrong. Like you're you're in chaos. You're following Tina. You're doing exactly what Tina did. Um and you're like a vampire." He was like, "Just just don't do that. Just stop." And I was like, "Oh, shit. He's got a good point." But no one else no one else did. Said it in an easy way, right? And then you start inwardly thinking, "Oh my god, yeah, right. I'm a cunt." It's really hard to accept that what you're doing is wrong in stuff because you you like you say, you're objective to yourself.

And I always Or you're not objective. I've always thought I was objective about almost everything and it's the polar opposite. I'm completely fucking subjective, no matter what I do, it's from my perspective. If something does If someone does something I don't like, it's because I don't want them to do it to me. But it's not because they don't want it to Do you know what I mean? Like If I talk about something that you're uncomfortable talking about, I won't be uncomfortable because I'm comfortable. Which is the whole thing about embarrassment, how embarrassment's not real. But it is only on your frame of reference of what is embarrassing.

And that's fucked up. >> I thought I saw someone the other day It was just a comment that I enjoyed. It was like the the phrase that people use, "If I were you." And they were like, "What do you mean, if I were you? If you were me, you would do exactly what I do." Yeah. >> I was like, "That's a good point." People do that all the time. They're like, "Look right now, if I were you >> Yeah. >> then I would do something completely different." Like, "No, that's literally not true. Everyone will do what they do." >> And that's why it's so interesting when you guys teach. I mean, we're going to do a triple course, right? Be amazing, but if you have some cunt who you're trying to teach who's closed off to stuff, you can't teach them. It's pointless.

>> Because I have noticed >> Yeah. And if you say, "If I were you," they're like, "Well, or I think you should improve Fuck that. I don't want to do that." >> Yeah. >> Right? I'm going to do me. And I'm going to learn. And then Yeah. Learn from those mistakes and hopefully don't do it again next time. >> You can only do so much. So, yeah. >> Edit this. I'm not editing any of this. >> No, no, no, no. >> Oh, you can only learn so Right. >> Yeah. So >> Last week I asked about how long would you survive You know, if Wolverine stabbed you in your chest.

>> Mhm. >> How long you survive? And I said we need a doctor. Now, I don't know if this guy's a doctor, but he's fucking replied. So, I'm going to assume >> I read it. >> Oh, okay. Right. In fairness, he's got a good source. Okay? He's a military vet with a big focus on medevac. Now, I'm assuming a vet is for animals. >> No, he's a military vet, like a veteran. >> Veteran, no? >> It's That's a That's a term Americans use all the time. >> I see. I see. I assumed he was on the battleground with dogs.

>> Someone who's old and anyone who's, yeah. >> Okay. Well, no offense, um, Mr. Greed. >> [snorts] >> I mean, I just thought he was running around after horses. Um >> Military vet, no no less. That would be, uh >> Well, I literally had in my head there was a dog and he would be on the floor and he's like, >> You know what? Actually, there's there's got to be like military vets, veterinarians, military veterinarians. >> He can confirm that if he watches this shit. Um, you can survive a long time with a single punctured lung.

Um you won't be doing any strenuous activities and your lung will likely collapse, right? Uh, the void where the lung was inflated will fill with air, thus stop the air from reinflating again. So, it's not filled with blood, it's filled with air. I guess from you breathing in, right? So, your other lung is pulling in the air. Um and if you want to know how to fix it, um, just create a one-way valve over the wound. Um, which air that can be pushed >> I would have done. So, it's good to Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Big time. Just literally fucking stab a little fucking straw down the hole. Um, push that chest goes >> that so many times. That's obviously real. They do it in movies all the time.

>> I mean, I would love to try that on someone who's dying and just stab a barrow into their chest. >> Love to do that to someone who isn't dying, for example. >> He's be like, "Are you dying?" No. Boom. You are now, motherfucker. Um, right. Thank you for that. So, we basically, what I'm saying is if I get stabbed in one lung, I need to find a doctor pretty quick. But I could I can survive a long Basically, I could survive with one lung. >> This is us This is us prepping for, uh, for our our next trip to SN. >> Oh, yeah, right. It's not long, mate.

It's four months. >> to get stabbed. >> Yeah. Well, I need to buy order us all happy t-shirts with our face on with my face. >> Literally, it's the only reason I'm going. >> Mhm. >> Good. Right, what's next? >> Dr. Love Brush? >> Oh, god. Yeah, right. Right. Um Dr. Love Brush, this segment where we give you questions you give the opportunity to ask these experts questions. I will preface that the new rule should be I will answer first. >> Yeah, please.

>> Okay. And you guys will chime in. So, Mr. Andy Greshk Grexk Grexk Fuck it. We all know Andy, to be honest. He's just Andy to me. Just plain old Andy. Um I had a bowl of cereal this morning, which I never do, by the way. >> From Saturday to have that in the evening. >> Yeah, I know, but I I had some emotional turmoil I was going through. So, I had a big fucking bowl of cereal, and right now I'm crashing. It's the truth. >> Mhm. >> I'm I'm struggling um with sugar. So, I half-heartedly attempted NMM last night. Sounds like a weird sexual thing.

Um and I hate it. The concept, the workflow, and the result. I want to redo it as TMM because I know I'll enjoy it more, which is too much metal metallic. >> Yeah. >> Um do you guys ever call it on a piece, and move on? Or should I look for guidance and fuck the NMM? Now, Andy, I'm glad you came to us with this question, cuz it's a question dear to my heart. I think you've just not got the skills, and honestly, you should give up now, and you should never pursue that. And just accept that you are never going to be a guy who can do anything good.

And that's it. That's That's That's my advice. Next. Let's go next question. Right, real advice, it's up to you what you want, right? Do you want to put effort in and get this skill cuz it it will take you a long time to get there uh studying enjoying um or you might just not want to put the effort in. If you do want to put the effort in, then it opens up the door. You guys can chime in at the end if you think this is right. Um because you're focusing on the ending and you want it to be good, which is what I also did. My NMM was shit and I hated it. And I spent ages actually, fucking ages, going over it, going over it until I got it to somewhere I happy with. I got a lot of experience from doing it, a lot of frustration from doing it. Um but I realized that actually if I did try long enough, I could do it. But for the actual NMM vibe, like getting better at it, I think it's just studying and practice.

And uh not being too hard on yourself. And references. Uh that would be my two cents. >> Yeah, I think so. If you if you stop when something is not going your way and you quit that thing, you you lose it. You cannot >> One caveat to that, if you're 15 years in an unhappy relationship, um you should leave. Carry on, Arnel. >> Um yeah, that's I think I think it's tempting with uh if you're stuck on the theory side of NMM to give up. Because that's you probably feel like you can keep doing the same thing over and over again.

again, but that bit won't won't really unlock. But I think even a little bit of progress is progress. So, every every bit that you can improve on the next model, the next model. Um yeah, I think you should probably like give yourself a little more time to practice NMM before you consider giving it up. Still just a hobby, like you don't give up, you just you try other things or you >> You know, there's no there's no way of succeeding without trying a few times. It's just impossible. >> But also, I don't know the scope of the projects he's doing, but he might have just taken on a fuck ton of N and M, and yeah, you're you're So, just start small.

>> Yeah. >> Yes, that's another thing. It might be the model itself is really, really hard to paint in non-metallic. That's a thing. It that might not just be you think that's really difficult to do. It just you just might not might have bitten off too much. >> Honestly, what other podcast in the world that is so unfollowed and loved gives shit like that out for free? >> For free? >> Free advice with three geniuses, basically. >> I mean, they have to pay a big price to to have this podcast. >> I mean, fuck, you're right.

>> price, the price to their mental health, but other than that >> and time. That's more of an investment. They are wasting their fucking lives listening to this shit, like Do you know what I mean? >> But what what life was it to begin with? >> I so true. They are pathetic. You are right. They had They've got To be honest, they're they're lucky that we're even here for them. Do you know what I mean? They'd be grating cheese and pissing in pots if it wasn't for us. Um I don't know why they wouldn't do that. They could do that anyway. >> That's such a wonderfully specific couple of things to be doing instead of this podcast.

You can do at least one of those things while you listen to the podcast, by the way. >> You could do both. I regularly wee while recording. You just No, I don't like that. I I think those jokes are cheap, and that's coming from me. Um >> More questions? >> Yeah, I'm just It is a good We we do have fun here. It is a good It is Do you know what I mean? I I I I don't think The only thing I'd change is we're in a room together. That's what I'd I'd love to do that. If if we could fly in each week to a single location, um maybe bang some hookers or something, and then get to some coke, and then record a podcast, and for some reason we're all topless and we you all shave your hair as well.

And then in a year or two there's a controversy where like we were sex traffickers or something and you know, it it muddies the name of the podcast. Basically, I'm I'm describing Andrew Tate, okay? >> Yeah, we're all Andrew Tate, that's what you're saying. We could all be Andrew Tate, I think. >> I mean, I'm halfway there. What I say halfway, I there's a lot more that I would need to do to be that guy. Um >> Yeah. >> I'd have to be a dickhead. Yeah. Um LG, all right, mate. Any tips on freehand?

Do you want to do this one? Yeah, okay. Watch a video on it from someone else. We're not your people. We don't do freehand here. Do you know what I mean? >> There's so many little things that you could say about freehand. I feel like there's so it's also such a big topic. I mean, it's actually like are you painting a thing? Yeah. Are you painting like a banner with a whole design and a whole thing? Are you talking is the trick like paint consistency or do you wonder if we're using like little little pencils to sketch out shapes? Is that what you want to know about? I don't I don't know.

>> Basically, I'm Oh, sorry, go on then. >> For fuck's sake, Mike. >> If you are doing a complex design design or or artwork in in the freehand Um I I think that sketching is quite important. Like it's not even optional. You you have to sketch. >> Also, consider the the exact size of the thing you're painting on. So, try to to have a sketch that's also maybe the same size and get a get a sense of like where everything's going to be proportionally on that exact piece and not just have a a massive copy of it that that you then try to shrink down.

>> Yeah, yeah, of course, of course. >> Or just don't do it. >> Yeah, definitely. Yeah, but there's some of that. >> Honestly, Mike, ask that again, but be more specific. Any tips to doing thin Oh, well, he's semi-answered his question. Any tips for doing thin, controlled lines? Now, I've got this all right, boys. Don't do it. Literally, ink, paint, or water.

Paint. Always use paint. That's my like number one hard rule. Use paint. Um and yeah, load the brush up a bit, not too much, maybe dab a little bit off. Make sure you've got a good flow. Flow is the consistency is the key, okay? Because if you're using too thick, you fucked it. It will look shit cuz it's thick, but it's easy to get coverage. And if it's too thin, it will just look like piss on a on a you know, on a cat or something. You won't You won't There's nothing there. So, consistency is the key. What is that consistency? Depends what you're painting on. Depends what paints you're using.

I would say milky, but you know. >> Yeah, and and layer it. It's very useful to add inks, so it's a bit more >> Cuz then you've got the coverage of >> flowy >> Yeah. >> and yes. Yeah, freehanding with inks is nice. >> Um >> And other than that, consistency-wise, man, you just have to try it out. No one's going to be able to explain consistency to you. >> Yeah, I think so. And I also do think that the the amount you load on the brush is important. Cuz I definitely struggled early days where I'd put a little bit on, and then I'd get a little bit of the line, and it would just fucking stop, and I'd be like, >> Yeah.

>> So, that is also experimentation. Do I put it all in or not? I still don't know the answer. What was I talking about there? No one knows. So, Stevie C, I got your name written down, which is why I know, not Stevie G. Is Dr. Love Brush for all types of questions, or just painting questions? Now, Steve, if you If Yeah, if you're reaching out cuz you're having troubles at home like I was, I am an expert now, okay? I've got you. I will answer anything you want. Um and it it honest, the weirder the question, probably the better.

However, he won't be I think we might move that from Dr. Love Brush into like Dr. Love Spunk or something. You know, there'll be It would be relative. Love Brush is for is for painting questions. >> Yes. >> Our our Discord is getting extremely personal. People just want therapy and I I feel like if you want to pass some of that on to the episodes and you want us to answer questions about your personal life, not ours, then we can do that. And also questions about anything. I'm happy to talk about um >> Do you political issues?

>> movies Oh, movies. Geopolitical, cooking. >> Cooking, yeah. Someone called me a a misogynist today. >> And I was like, "Why?" >> Cuz I said all women are bad. It's not true. >> That's a little bit. >> No, I literally, right, on my TTS [snorts] map, 50,000 members or whatever, 60,000 members, after somebody had an affair and I was married to them, on the map, I updated a text bit and I said, "Are all women bad?" with a question mark. Right? And I published it. Now, I thought it's a light-hearted jib, right? Like it's Like who would care?

Boy, do people care. >> Women. >> There's [snorts] no women that play TTS. Maybe five, six. Like there there are not many women. Compared to Okay, of the of the 60,000 >> Yeah, sorry. >> Yeah. Well, just of the 60,000, let's say. But the point is the women weren't getting annoyed, or at least complaining. And people still now on the Discord, 2 months later, still bring it up. Isn't Jamie a Like isn't Hubel a misogynist? I'm like, "Oh my god." Like it was one mis- like misplaced joke, you know? >> Yeah. Bad jokes are difficult. I try to avoid that on the internet, but I think with the phrasing of that question, I would have read it as a joke.

>> I wasn't I literally wasn't saying women are bad. >> Yeah. >> It's like ah >> Yeah, I'm sure. It helps knowing your your situation. If you don't it's like why why is this here? >> But, I still don't think I would think that >> my situation, it helps knowing Jamie at all. I mean >> Yeah, probably but >> I don't know. I do struggle to empathize not empathize cuz I've got too much empathy like I do struggle to under stand how that's offensive to women. Some people explained it to me and I was like, "Okay, I do I disagree." But, it's cool. So, anyway. Um Yeah, ask your questions. I might create a new group called um the white van man again, which was an old segment. I don't have the jingle.

Uh oh shit, we don't have jingles. >> Where's the Taskmasters? Hold on. >> Get that back in your van, mate. >> Taskmasters. >> That is loud. >> Oh, nice. >> Um >> Jingles again? >> Yeah, a little bit late. Um >> I miss the jingles. >> Yeah, I do actually. Right. Uh >> One more reasons to do fast as a race car, but we like who would we even do that with if it's not us? >> I did ask Alfonso if he'll come on the episode 20 minutes before we recorded. He was like, "Dude, no." I'm I asked him last week or 2 weeks ago and then I just didn't chase up with him, right? We spoke about football and relationships and shit and I just forgot that I even wanted him on the show.

Then I asked him like yeah, like 20 minutes ago. He was like "No, I can't." I was like, "Yeah, fair." >> But, but but he's up for it. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I want to get more. We need we need to plan a bit, I guess, if he comes on. Would've been a shit show, I guess. >> yeah. Yeah, of course. >> Um Struggling with paint from John. >> Mhm. >> How do you guys load the fuck me? It's like it how do you load the brush properly? Now, there is so many ways to answer this with a I dare say a little bit of like ooh cuz practice you will learn. But, uh let's just go with the the freehand one.

Because for every different situation and technique that you want to do, you're going to load your paintbrush differently, but generally speaking, I still think you want more paint than not. Yeah, that would be my >> Yeah, in my opinion, you have to load the brush completely. Um and and yeah, you you will get paint in the ferrule, and it will mess the brush, yes, eventually. But, that's why you have to paint you have to put paint on your figure. And your brush is just the tool for that. It's you don't have to care about the brush. You know, you have to use it.

>> I use a lot less. I'm much more like careful with how much I put on. I don't I don't really let it run anywhere. I don't never get paint in the ferrule, but >> So, is it a case of the cuz Albert also doesn't load his I some situations, but very rarely, right? He's he's very good >> It obviously depends on how you paint. >> Yeah, I have a I have brushes that I'm less careful with, and I I'll load those brushes have more, you know, whatever I'm doing, but washes or big base coating big areas, but most of the actual painting I'll do it's much less paint.

Every layer is quite thin, and there's not much paint on the brush. Like halfway up the the hairs, I guess. >> Like so, he he specifically asked that she wrote it the year wrong. Um he literally was like, um wick it off on a paper towel, don't wick it off, wick before dripping into paint, but not after, only use the first quarter of the brush. Like, what's the correct approach? Right, so I'm I'm going to share my screen quickly, right? I might need to get some of Arno's pieces as well, but um I need to change this. No, is that >> Yeah, be interesting to see specifically how how you load your brush right now.

>> So so I don't know how you did this, Martin, but if I'm guessing it it looks It's one of two ways. It's like It looks fucking controlled. It doesn't look dry brushed. So, it It much more >> about the rock? >> Yeah, yeah. It looks stippled almost. >> It is almost stippled. >> Yeah, right. For the for the full color >> even didn't even use a paintbrush for that. >> Oh, shit. Right, well in theory we don't need to talk about it, but uh how did you do it? >> Uh airbrush with uh Basically what you what you might want to do is turn down the uh aeration hm so that it splatters a bit.

But I just do it by holding the the trigger very carefully and then pulling back. So the less air but pulling it >> Yeah, it builds up somehow, doesn't it when you do that and then you >> Yeah, and then you do that you get a little bit of a splatter and when you when you have it in exactly the right place, obviously you're just testing it on like a piece of paper or something. When you have it exactly right, you get a perfect little speckled pattern. >> Yeah. >> And that's how I always paint and and I know a lot of people do paint concrete and uh stone texture. So I did that and then I think I might have done a No, I definitely did a little bit of a drybrush on the statue.

But that's literally all I did to the to paint all of that was just different and then obviously there's different colors on the base and that was just done by masking it off when I did all the stippling shit. >> Shit, man. So the only real time then you would have needed to load cuz cuz these >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only actual proper painting was on that axe. >> And the tightness that you require means you don't want a lot of paint on there, right? You want to control it to fuck. Yeah. >> Yeah, yeah. >> So to answer uh who John's question like it's it depends on the finish and the technique in brackets that you're trying to go for, right? Like this if you >> Yeah, I think for So for something like that, I mean let's say that that's a pretty standard uh size of thing I'm painting and neatness I'm going for, so it's into I will I'll make sure that my brush is like I'll wash it in water. I'm trying to think what I do and then I put it in mouth get a good tip and then I'll I'll have the the paint diluted on the palette not necessarily using the brush I'm painting with.

So the paint will be diluted before I like dip dip it into and get paint on it and then I'll put paint about maybe halfway up the bristles. And then maybe I'll try it on my thumb like a lot of people do on to get >> Because it's your thumb. >> I don't always do that but sometimes yeah make sure that it's good and >> You literally can't paint with dry in quotes paint, right? It's just it's not like what I mean is out the pot. >> Yeah no no no I I never so I know we talked about this with with like Arnauld sometimes will use paint directly out of the pot. The only time I use less dilute paint is and I think it's a little bit like part of what Arnauld is doing as well is like for the for the final bits when you want slightly more opaque highlights. You want the the actual like acrylic to have a bit more punch. I'll do that as well.

I thought about it yesterday I was painting something and I realized I was using really non not that dilute paint on the edge highlights and that's exactly what that is is like I'm just kind of try running it along the edge and I want the paint to build up enough that it creates a little bit of opacity. And it's not the end of the world that paint is a little thicker because it's such a thin line anyway. >> You actually want it to be a little bit thicker I guess in that situation. >> Yeah and I think for Arnauld it's a little more of a two-sided thing because you actually do less standard paint at the beginning.

>> It depends on the process or the how the sketch is if it's >> [snorts] >> If usually my sketch is not too thick because I like to play with transparencies a little bit and it's not and I like the brush to flow as well very much. So I would say that the minimum amount of water I add to the to the mix is 30% So less than 30% I rarely use except for the final stages of the thick paste basically.

>> But this so in my mind right This is such a generalization. This is super Martin's is super controlled and tight right? >> [clears throat] >> His his at least in this piece it's designed this way right? It's deliberate and and and then your piece over here is more It's it's atmospheric in its in the what's this thing called um the lighting and the lighting and the lighting and the lighting right? So in my mind these are two super clear contrasting techniques and styles in paint.

>> Yeah. >> And and everything about it actually is probably how you two paint in general right? >> Yeah. >> It does sum up. Um and then here like what was I going to say about it? The loading up I feel like if you did this controlled style on now tell me if I'm wrong it would take you forever to do this. Like in a different like if you weren't loading up your brush like considerably to get this same technique down would be a lot harder for you. >> Yeah I >> Cuz you can be looser with your brush strokes.

>> Uh it would be like exponentially longer the time that I would need to do it. And I also I'm not sure if I could get the same level of saturation because that saturation is on also um achieved by thickness of paint. >> Mhm. >> If you don't put enough thickness the color doesn't reflect uh the same way. So this is this is how it looks in real life. It's very saturated in real life. Because there's you know the color of the body is is in the figure because there's you know a a thickness to it.

And and that's the the the main thing the main reason why I paint like this, because I like the paint to be there, you know, I like to see the paint. >> But to go back to Martin's point though, is if you you are artificially let's just call it that way. You're artificially adding saturation after. Because you'll paint your pieces, you have some dilution, you load the brush up, you put down your your markers in and at the end you say okay, I'm going to put more saturation here and here and here. Or you're saying that we use inks, which means that the paints can be more running and that's how you keep the saturation.

>> No, but that's that's not exactly it, because I do use um thickness during most of the process. It's it's It's not >> Oh, I see what you're putting down. >> It's not straight out of the bottle. >> Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> But yeah, it's just the last stages that I do it without, but overall I do use thickness and you can see brushstrokes and you cannot see brushstrokes if you don't have some some um thickness to the paint. >> Yeah. I think this is a great two examples. Obviously you've got models here, but like like I say man, I love this piece and I love the feeling of the cleanness for it. Like this works in this situation, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um >> Yeah, it's interesting with with uh with uh the difference in saturation, because in in this case I'm finding that it's not that saturated. The saturation comes in mostly with the green bits.

>> Yeah. >> Which I've I've I like I airbrushed some tufts and I painted the the grass between the >> [snorts] >> stones and everything, but it's just like that's not a that's not a huge part of the painting is building up the green. Whereas our now I feel like saturation is everywhere. There's saturation in the blues in the shadows, in the orange in the candles, even in like the skin tones there's just a ton of color and I I I think in this case I'm like I can sort of accept that that's like a deliberate style choice, but generally speaking, I kind of wish I had more control over saturation and that I could >> Mhm.

>> I I kind of wish I could achieve more saturation, but I think maybe the style I paint is a little bit of a hindrance to that. It doesn't come naturally to use thicker paint or to build it up the same way. >> It literally goes against the style that you are creating in terms of technique. >> A little bit it does. Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah. >> I'm just much more comfortable building up very thin layers of anything. And it's like it sounds kind of very It It doesn't quite cover it that it's It all has to be like a billion thin layers for no reason. Sometimes it'll you know, I'll I'll like use an airbrush to get a good solid coat, but it's still generally the process of painting anything. Well, yeah, it will be like thinner layers to maintain as much of the detail as possible and sometimes to do like nice transparent layers to to do to make everything smooth or to do like underpainting and stuff like that.

>> It's fascinating though. I mean, because like if you look at Fuck's sake, I can't zoom in. Don't like scroll. When [snorts] you look at these pieces, there is still smoothness, but it's such a different type of smoothness, if you know what I mean. >> Yeah. >> You have these transitions and they exist, right? And on the tree and here like I would never coin that as unsmooth, but it's a It's a different kind of smoothness though, isn't it? >> That's the thing with Arno's stuff, to talk about you in the third person, but like if you look at anything that you that Arno's painted, the the idea that that's like a great example of fuck smoothness, it doesn't quite cover it cuz it's really smooth. It looks incredibly smooth and it has the saturation.

Uh those brush marks don't look like brush marks because it's I don't know. painted just right. >> Yeah, I guess. >> there's a That's It's a It's a really strange oversimplification to just be like, well, it's not as smooth as this or that or >> In person, you you can see the brush strokes, right? You can see it. It is But >> not everywhere. There's places where it's obviously the skin will always be um smoother because it's skin.

But some other things, the the graves or the the wood or things like that are are, you know, very brush strokey because that that's how it should be. Um and it depends also in in in busts. There's there's ways where it's more and less. So, >> Yeah. >> Mhm. You can see it more even. >> But you don't The point is it's not hidden. >> Yeah, yeah, it's not. >> Like this >> Yeah, but but So, that the whole point of here was loading brushes, I guess. So, it really is um depending on what you're doing. But John, you were like You know, what you're trying to achieve and the style you're trying to achieve um and it all has a big impact. Like you I I guess if you're if these I don't know your level or where he's at, by the way, or like what he's doing, but if you're um Then I get to three of us.

>> [snorts] >> If you're searching for thinking that a you know, a thing is the answer, the amount that you have on a brush or something is an answer, then yeah, you you you need to think about it again because uh yeah, paint more and see what works, but also importantly just like enjoy it. I can't I can't preach what I say. I absolutely cannot. Um But yeah, the the >> [snorts] >> Ask another question more specific or just fucking have fun. Um So, well played. Uh John, I got I'm you're actually the next question, but we have run out of time.

>> Yeah, you've got a meeting now, haven't you? >> Mhm. Yeah, I need to go and meet my kids. So, >> Oh, that's what you were doing, right? >> Yeah. Um Do I mean, I could pause while we talk. Do we want to record later? They should also see behind the scenes. 1 hour. >> is >> Just 1 hour 5 minutes. >> Mhm. >> I can't record later cuz I've got the kids. So. >> I I would just do it while I'm with you. >> Enjoy it, everyone. Thank you for joining us on such an illustrious, beautiful day. >> Yep. Cheers.

>> Been good. >> Yep. >> It has.